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chitto
07.07.30, 11:30 AM
Hi Kuya G.

ang pagkakaalam ko pinagbawal ung arrangement ni Prof Lucio kasi wala daw dapat binago sa Pambansang Awit na original. Ung kasi ke prof, mabagal sa umpisa, pero talagang maganda ung arrangement nya. Pwedeng gamitin yata un pero skip ung first part na mabagal and hindi isu-sustain ung "ang mamatay - ng - da - hil - "

Kuya G.
07.07.30, 11:37 AM
Hi Kuya G.

ang pagkakaalam ko pinagbawal ung arrangement ni Prof Lucio kasi wala daw dapat binago sa Pambansang Awit na original. Ung kasi ke prof, mabagal sa umpisa, pero talagang maganda ung arrangement nya. Pwedeng gamitin yata un pero skip ung first part na mabagal and hindi isu-sustain ung "ang mamatay - ng - da - hil - "

Thanks for the info, kaya sa choir namin sa office itong arrangement ni Ed Nepomuceno ang gamit namin.

jose
07.07.31, 09:56 AM
gee, salamat sa info at sa score. God bless pre...

titopao
07.07.31, 12:44 PM
Sa pagkakaalam ko, walang batas o direktibang inilabas ang kahit na anong sangay ng pamahalaan na nagbabawal sa areglo ni Maestro Lucio San Pedro. Ang pagkakaalam ko, maraming pumuna nito, subalit walang isang kasulatan na nagsasabing ipinagbawal na nga ito. Kung kaya't wala akong makitang dahilan upang ito ay hayagang ipagbawal. (Kung pag-iisipang mabuti, bakit kailangang may kanya-kanyang bersyon pa nito ang mga istasyon ng radyo at telebisyon?!?!?)

Kung ako ang tatanungin, walang batayan ang sinasabing pagbabawal sa areglo ni Maestro San Pedro, at ito ay bunga ng mga isip na lubhang tamad sa maayos na pananaliksik. Hinahamon ko ang mga naniniwala dito na maglabas ng katibayan na tuwirang ipinagbawal ito ng pamahalaan.

Sa artikulo ng Lupang Hinirang sa Wikipedia (kung saan isa ako sa mga ka-patnugot nito), aming nabanggit na malinaw na nakasaad sa batas (Batas Pambansa/Republic Act 8491) na dapat awiting ang Lupang Hinirang ayon sa pinaka-orihinal na areglo ni Julian Felipe.

Subalit maging ito ay maaring pagmulan ng pag-aalinlangan dahil, kung literal na susundin ang titik ng batas, ang Lupang Hinirang ay hindi dapat inaawit dahil wala namang titik ang orihinal na likha ni Julian Felipe; sa kasaysayan, dalawang bersyon lamang ng Lupang Hinirang ang sinulat ni Felipe, at iyan ay isang bersyon sa piano at isang bersyon sa banda (o mosiko). Wala ring tala sa kasaysayan na nagsasabing inawit ito ni Julian Felipe nang una niyang iparinig kay Hen. Emilio Aguinaldo, at wala ring tala na nagsabing inawit din ito nang tinugtog noong ikalabindalawa ng Hunyo 1898.

Sa kabila ng malinaw na hangarin ng batas, inaawit pa rin natin ito nang may titik (at lubhang napakapalad natin dahil wala pang nakaisip magpakulong ng sinumang lumabag ng batas :) )

Alexander
07.07.31, 01:40 PM
Para sa inyo, courtesy of SOUNDCLICK as sung by UP Concert Chorus, the areglo of Maestro Lucio D San Pedro. Music by my great great grandfather Julian Felipe.

@titopao, alam ko lang dati parang executive order nung time ni Pres Ramos, na ipinagbawal dahil merong modification sa original melody (ex. "Sa manlulupig... and "Ang mamatay.... ng... da... hill sa'yo). Not sure though kung meron nga, kaya dati inalis sa ere ang areglong ito.

Pero nung nasa Pinas pa ako, yan ang bersyon na itinuro ko noon sa aming opisina at lagi pang ni-re-request lalo na pag me special affair sa office.

Eto naman complete with the slow intro http://www.lemaroc.org/videos/video-qcUGiJEDjU0.html
http://yourvideo.heteml.jp/detail.php5?id=qcUGiJEDjU0l

titopao
07.07.31, 03:54 PM
Just to be sure, I contacted an expert on Philippine heraldry (via e-mail) just before I wrote this reply, to confirm some details about National Anthem-related legislation. (Out of respect for his privacy, I cannot disclose his identity, but if anyone wants to find out who my source is, just send me a PM. Suffice it to say that he is a widely-read blogger and also a columnist in a very notable broadsheet, he wrote lots of books, he formerly worked in one of the cultural-/historical-related bureaus in Malacanang and he even has his own TV show. If you think you know his identity, please do NOT post it here, try sending me a PM instead and I'll confirm if you got it right :) )

According to him, only the following laws were written with the National Anthem in mind:

C. A. [Commonwealth Act] NO. 382
An Act to adopt the original authentic form of the Philippine National
Anthem and to appropriate funds September 5, 1938

C. A. NO. 634
An Act to Penalize disrespect to the Philippine National Anthem,
amending Commonwealth Act numbered 382, entitled "An Act to adopt the
original authentic form of the Philippine National Anthem and to appropriate
funds for its printing and free distribution" June 10, 1941

E. O. NO. 321
Prescribing the Code of the National Flag and the National Anthem of the
Republic of the Philippines June 12, 1950

E. O. NO. 137
Revising Executive Order No. 321, dated June 12, 1950 entitled
"Prescribing the code of the National Flag and National Anthem of the
Republic of the Philippines" January 7, 1965

E. O. NO. 194
Further amending Executive Order No. 321, dated June 12, 1950, as
revised by Executive Order No. 137, dated January 7, 1965, prescribing the
Code of the National Flag and the National Anthem of the Republic of the
Philippines.

M. C. NO. 60
Nagpapahayag na ang Pambansang Awitin ng Pilipinas ay dapat awitin
lamang sa Pilipino (States that the Philippine National Anthem should be
sung only in Pilipino) December 19, 1963

The source he cited is an official government website: the website of the National Commission for Culture and the Arts. Here's the specific page where he got all the information:
http://www.ncca.gov.ph/about_cultarts/cultprofile/lstlaw.php

According to my source, since Commonwealth Act No. 382 in 1938, only the Julian Felipe arrangement has been authorized by law. The provisions of RA8491 reiterates this.

(Source: http://www.gov.ph/aboutphil/RA8491.asp)

SECTION 37. The rendition of the National Anthem, whether played or sung, shall be in accordance with the musical arrangement and composition of Julian Felipe.




To be specific, my original question referred only to any E.O. issued by President Ramos. He responded simply by listing these laws, which means that (just as I had suspected) there was no such law or EO prohibiting or allowing the Lucio San Pedro Arrangement (in other words, there's no official position with regard to the Lucio San Pedro arrangement).

However, as my source has indicated and also per the most recent law (RA8491), only the Julian Felipe arrangement is permitted by law. Which poses a bigger question because the original version did not have any lyrics. The next provision after section 37 mentions the word "singing", which is again another a problem because the original arrangement didn't have lyrics on it and is essentially a self-contradiction(the addition came later, so it can't be regarded as a collaborative songwriting effort that would have made the lyrics officially part of the music until that particular setting gained later approbation...well, it's actually more complicated if you consider the language (the original was in Spanish) and the other legal provisions (the law says only the Tagalog translation is acceptable)). The debates we had while writing the Wikipedia article didn't start there (all the issues are still unresolved), and as a result much of the information about Lupang Hinirang-related issues remain omitted in the article.)

If you think I'm pushing this too far by insisting that the original arrangement didn't have lyrics---there are countries whose national anthem does NOT have lyrics (one of these is Spain). Nevertheless, in spite of historical and legal considerations, we still sing the National Anthem with the lyrics. Which isn't a bad thing, either...at least, if you can sing your own national anthem, it only proves that you know how to sing, right ;)

Kuya G.
07.07.31, 05:41 PM
Kuya Alex salamat!

Titopao salamat din sa information.

Alexander
07.08.01, 09:27 AM
OT:
Maybe the reason for disallowing it that time, was because of the clause used in section 37 of RA 8491.... "shall be in accordance with the musical arrangement and composition..." literally, its the arrangement that matters "whether played or sung"

The word `shall' implies a mandatory statement, the word `should' implies an advisory statement, and the word `may' implies the right to use discretion.www.civeng.unsw.edu.au/safety/definitions.htm (http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&start=1&oi=define&q=http://www.civeng.unsw.edu.au/safety/definitions.htm&usg=AFQjCNFW4coD8rgOC7Rmc0hw9MMyQ0WNog)

Back to the request na.... If you want we can split this thread and move part of it to the General Music Discussion forum, I will just keep the posts na merong scores as requested.

Alexander
07.08.01, 09:58 AM
Discussion re: The Philippine National Anthem here... thanks

bingo
07.08.01, 04:53 PM
para sa akin mas maganda sana kung iisang version lang ang paraan pagkanta ng ating pambansang awit nang sa gayon kahit saan ka pa man magpuntang lupalop ng pilipinas ay makakasabay ka at hindi mo huhulaan kung anong arrangement sa umpisa o sa ending nito... nakakalito di po ba? isiping mo na lang kung sa isang iskwelahan ituturo ang version ni lucio san pedro, sa kabilang skwelahan naman ay ibang version, sa ibang skwelahan ay iba rin... etc, etc, etc... ano na lang ang magyayari kung magkitakita ang mga estudyante ng mga ibat ibang swelahan na ito at kanilang kantahin ang lupang hinirang ng sabay sabay ayon kanya kanyang version na itinuro sa kanila ng kanilang paaralan... ang gulo di ba?... oo nga't magandang pakinggan ang iba't ibang versions ng arrangement ng lupang hinirang subalit mas maganda siguro kung ang paraan ng pagkanta nito ay iisang version lamang... ito rin ay magandang halimbawa ng isang paraan ng pagpapakita ng ating pagkakaisa bilang mga mamamayang pilipino... wag na tayong maghamunan... o kung ano pa man... isipin nating ang ikabubuti ng lahat... hindi lang tayo ang mga pilipino... papano na lang ang mga mamamayan na hindi nakaka intindi ng isang magandang pagka arrange ng ating lupang hinirang? paano na lang ang mga pilipinong nasa mga liblib na pook ng ating bansa? baka sabihin nila na at itanong sa atin, "Binago na ba ang ating pambansang awit? Kailan pa?"

reagan
07.08.01, 05:30 PM
para sa akin mas maganda sana kung iisang version lang ang paraan pagkanta ng ating pambansang awit nang sa gayon kahit saan ka pa man magpuntang lupalop ng pilipinas ay makakasabay ka at hindi mo huhulaan kung anong arrangement sa umpisa o sa ending nito...

Korek po... for example lang, sa mga laban ni Manny Pacquiao, iba-iba ang version nga Lupang Hinirang, depende sa singer... Di tulad nga Mexican National Anthem na pareho lang ang pagkanta.

Minsan nga, in one occassion dito sa cebu, narinig ko iniba yung chord pattern sa ending na part (... ang mamatay ng dahil sa 'yo). Nagulat ako kasi biglang nag minor yung chord, tapos inulit yung last phrase. hehe... sabi ko, iba 'yun ah... hehe... :)

titopao
07.08.01, 06:42 PM
It is actually more hard to impose a particular interpretation of the national anthem because music, unlike law, unlike science, is a fluid discipline that is governed only by good artistic taste. Over time, tastes in music changes, and our opinions on what makes an ideal Lupang Hinirang may not hold for future generations, much more for those that preceded us. I would hazard a bet that if we got to hear how it was interpreted fifty, sixty, seventy years ago, there would be some people who would find it too old-fashioned. Or, even if the arrangement was good, the manner of interpretation may be considered too stilted (to understand what I mean, you'll need to go back to music history and find out how musicians do their things back then).

In hindsight, it might hinder other efforts to encourage creativity among musicians. Arranging other people's music has been with the history of music for such a long time; Brahms, Rachnaminoff and Schumann rearranged a piece by Paganini to create their own "variations", Liszt rearranged all Beethoven symphonies and several opera arias as terribly difficult piano solos (don't ask for sheet music, you'll faint when you see how difficult these pieces are :P ). Even the Star Spangled Banner has been arranged and rearranged by various composers and arrangers (and even by Jimi Hendrix...go find it on YouTube and you'll see how weird it sounds). If the TV show "Maala-ala Mo Kaya" used the original arrangement as it was published by Constancio de Guzman, I doubt people would even care to watch the show, as the arrangement sung by Dulce is an even better version of the original (the original version, if used, might turn off viewers). Since this is the Bukaspalad message boards...I don't think Bukaspalad might have sung arrangements of old familiar songs in the manner that we are all familiar with if the original composers insisted that it should have been sung their way, right? Just imagine that (It wouldn't simply sound like BP at all).

Insisting that all people sing just one version and one specific arrangement of the national anthem would be tantamount to saying that we should all buy one specific flag manufactured by only one specific manufacturer and it can only be bought in one specific store in the entire country. Or, it would be like an art teacher demanding that all students draw and paint using that teacher's style instead of allowing students to make masterpieces with their own personal touch (otherwise, they would be mere artisans). (Or, to borrow from computer science, it would be tantamount to requiring all computers to use Microsoft windows with Microsoft Office and Windows Media Player and only and making it illegal for other programmers to create their own operating system, office suites and audiovisual players [imagine a world without Winamp ;) ].)

As you can see, arrangements of old songs reflects musical tastes over time, and it may even improve on the original version (if the new arrangement is even better than the original, then why ban it?). Arrangments also reflect changes in music theory; there was a time when the voicings and the styles that we use in our modern liturgical songs were considered unacceptable fifty years ago, much more a century ago, and more so abhorrent during the time of Palestrina. If music were so legislated in such a way that all its rules cannot be broken and all its songs cannot be modified in any way, then none of the music that we listen to these days would even be around. Music has improved, however, by occasional breaking of rules and "laws", and the best-sounding of these "violations" in fact contributed to the development of Occidental Music as we all know it now. For this reason, I am opposed to any moves in imposing only a single version of the national anthem. (More on my reasons later...please continue reading :) ).

To be clear on this, the law says that we should follow the Julian Felipe arrangement. There's so much debate on what this exactly means because, in the first place, we all don't have copies of what that arrangement is. Not all scholars, academicians and lawyers agree on how to best interpret this provision of law (just ask Ambeth Ocampo, who made excellent analyses on this issue). However, although the law says that the Felipe arrangement is considered canon, it's even possible to interpret this provision in spirit, not in letter. (Example: in a particular ruling by the Supreme Court a few years back, where the Supreme Court deleted a jail sentence for someone who faced prison for violating the Bouncing Checks law---in that ruling, the Supreme Court believed that, although mandated by law, was deemed too excessive for that particular case. The ruling, if I'm not mistaken, mentions that a law should be interpreted not only literally but also by its intent, and by removing the intent but still retaining the heavy fine, the intent of the law was still served in that case.)

Me, I would like to think that the intent of the law means that we should stick to what Julian Felipe intended to compose. Variations may be there, but as long as the intentions, the feelings were there, there's nothing wrong with new rearrangements. At its very basic, this means that the basic melody, the basic rhythm and the feel of the music should not be changed. In other words, you don't create an entirely different melody (as in, it would barely have traces of the national anthem), nor you set it into entirely different lyrics. That is NOT how to do it. But if you rearrange it into something fresh and into something that will surely inspire other people to sing it, then that would be better.

Given this light, we don't hear LH being sung like a funeral song, nor do we hear it sung like a waltz or a rock song: it's always a lively and stirring anthem in a march tempo, however other musicians arrange it. This was also the same reason why the forgettable version sung during one of Manny Pacquiao's fights earned great criticism, because it was sung so badly that our own national anthem sounded like it was a song in a seedy karaoke bar---it didn't live up to the spirit and letter of the song (at least, Martin Nievera could have sung it for free, even if he'd done it like Martin Nievera). And because the Mexican National Anthem was well-sung even if it diverged from the original (I'll bet you a P500 call card that it wasn't sung exactly as it was published in the 19th century), that particular interpretation by...well, I don't want to recall who sang it :P...the difference invited comparison.

Singing the National Anthem in a different dialect, however, is a different topic and is even more controversial. Because that issue may also be fraught with politics, I would rather not bring it up at this time.

agustin06
07.08.01, 07:57 PM
sir pa-send nman po ung phil national anthem score s email ko... kc po nde po me mkapag-download ng file. agustin06_qt@yahoo.com
Thanks!

Alexander
07.08.02, 06:31 AM
agustin06,

You are posting a request on a discussion thread. I don't want to sound mean but we must maintain order in the board.

Be active and you'll see you can download soon....

I just wish you did not join here just because of the DL's

Welcome sa board at magpakilala ka sa THE MEET MARKET Thread

maggi_dfiddler
07.08.11, 10:48 PM
i think mas ,abuti di gamitin ang kay Lucio san pedro's arrangement kasi mahirap sumunod ang mga taong kumanta...parang for the sake of the music lang not counting the purpose of the song...performance level nga pero not supposed to be like that..hehe

just thinking aloud...:)

agustin06
07.08.14, 02:09 PM
sir sorry po... and salamat po s advice... GodBless!
ask ko lang po sa philippine national anthem na narinig ko & kinanta ng UPCC.
bakit pinagbawal nang bagalan ung last line na "ang mamatay ng dahil sa 'yo"?
maganda naman ang pagkaka-areglo ng kanta. (ask ko lang uli) : )

titopao
07.08.14, 02:58 PM
Sabi nila, "bawal" daw...although, as I've mentioned, I researched on this one and was unable to find anything to support this. I'd even dare say that this misconception is a popular urban legend. My take is, there's nothing that says it's allowed, but there's nothing that even says it's banned, so the best thing to do is to consider this indeterminate; I've dared a lot of people to prove/disprove to me that this "ban" exists, but no one was able to come up with a convincing and official proof (that is, at least a copy of a law that prohibits this specific version).

I'd like to think of this "ban" as more of a matter of taste. That is, hindi lang kursunada ng nagsabi non ;)

LOL

ernanibaetiong
08.04.14, 10:40 PM
actually tito pao meron talagang law on this, The Philippine Flag Law otherwise known as the Flag and Heraldic Code of the Philippines Republic Act 8491, ung specific sa anthem is ung chapter 2

SECTION 37. The rendition of the National Anthem, whether played or sung, shall be in accordance with the musical arrangement and composition of Julian Felipe

this means na dapat key of f and march ang tempo

although i must agree na kailangan i-ammend to kasi it turns out na yung batas fits only the taste of those in power to make the laws, this must be ammended and be made more liberal

Alexander
08.04.15, 07:36 AM
Dura Lex Sed Lex...

You have to be in congress or lobby with your congressman to do that... in any rate, if that's what's written, that MUST be followed.

For reference here is the link http://www.gov.ph/aboutphil/RA8491.asp

titopao
08.04.15, 08:17 AM
actually tito pao meron talagang law on this, The Philippine Flag Law otherwise known as the Flag and Heraldic Code of the Philippines Republic Act 8491, ung specific sa anthem is ung chapter 2

SECTION 37. The rendition of the National Anthem, whether played or sung, shall be in accordance with the musical arrangement and composition of Julian Felipe

this means na dapat key of f and march ang tempo

although i must agree na kailangan i-ammend to kasi it turns out na yung batas fits only the taste of those in power to make the laws, this must be ammended and be made more liberal

See the "Talk" page on the Wikipedia article about Lupang Hinirang. Dinebate na namin kung ano talaga ang tunay na meaning ng letter of the law. Kasi, among other things we raised there was:

#1 there are no extant copies of Julian Felipe's original score. Most of the scores we have are reproductions, arrangements and transcriptions, but the original score, as written in Julian Felipe's hand, is nowhere to be found. So what then does it mean when the law says it should be in accordance to the original Julian Felipe score if we don't even have an idea of how he really meant it to be played?

If you think I'm being too picky here, take note that with most composers such as Bach, Beethoven and Mozart, most publishers still refer to the original manuscripts whenever they try to publish new editions of these composers' works, so that they can determine what the composer originally intended when composing the piece. And even then, maski mga scholars nag-aaway-away pa kung paano ba talaga dapat i-interpret yung gawa ng mga dakilang composers---what more kung sa katulad pa ng Lupang Hinirang na hindi pa makita yung original na pyesa na ginawa ni Julian Felipe?

(Which is why, for all the budding composers out there, do NOT throw out your scores, kahit na gano kapangit yung mga drafts. At least, you'll have an idea of how your works have matured over time :) )

#2 The F-major version you know is actually a rearrangement by Redentor Romero. Obviously, It is NOT the original Julian Felipe score. Take note that other arrangements that are being used in TV stations' sign in/out are in G-major.

#3. Felipe's original arrangement, according to eyewitnesses, was actually played in just two versions: by Julian Felipe himself on the piano, and by a marching band. Both versions do NOT have lyrics. (You can read more about this from one of Ambeth Ocampo's books). If we are to be very literal, then this means that we shouldn't be singing the national anthem at all---which in itself makes the law self-contradictory, because the official lyrics of LH are also written into the law!

#4 the national anthem was written in 2/4 time, but some arrangements---and current interpretation---has the national anthem sung at 4/4...or at least, it's sung as if it was in 4/4 time. 2/4 time is a problematic time signature depending on whether or not you believe that you should count beats on the quarter notes or the eighth notes, and this point may alter how we should really be singing the national anthem.

Please lang...I don't want to start another debate about Lupang Hinirang...katakot-takot na sakit ng ulo lang ang inabot ko sa Wikipedia (when I was still active there) dahil lang sa pakikipag-away sa kapwa WIkipedians kung ano talaga ang tamang interpretation ng batas tungkol sa national anthem. (The current version of the WP article has a pared-down section about the law regarding LH).

What I'm trying to point out here is that these are the facts, and there are indeed things that need to be remedied in our current legislation regarding the National Anthem. Unang-una na dun, I'm against with the provision that says the national anthem should be sung "with fervor", kasi that is too subjective a matter to be legislated (someone else can point out that your singing doesn't have much "fervor" kahit na gano ka-heartfelt yung pagkanta mo).

Wilard
08.04.15, 09:58 AM
out of topic...I think youth today may have problems singing even the basic tune of Lupang Hinirang. Ask your teenage relatives to sing and you will notice that they will surely fail on some lines...

ernanibaetiong
08.04.15, 11:29 AM
tito pao tama po kau dun sa "fervor" wording, dahil nga subjective ay nagiging open to interpretation pa tuloy. kaya nga siguro hindi matapos ang argumento, we need better legislation and better legislators.

titopao
08.04.15, 12:08 PM
tito pao tama po kau dun sa "fervor" wording, dahil nga subjective ay nagiging open to interpretation pa tuloy. kaya nga siguro hindi matapos ang argumento, we need better legislation and better legislators.

Yup. At this point, I would argue that it would be better to emphasize what should not be done in singing the national anthem. The law actually has something to say about it: Lupang Hinirang should not be sung with disrespect. And, personally, I'd also like to see an amendment banning the singing of the national anthem in a very, very slow tempo. Unang matatamaan dun sina Kyla, si Christian Bautista and lahat ng iba pang kumanta ng Lupang Hinirang sa mga laban ni Manny Pacquiao LOL

titopao
08.04.15, 12:10 PM
out of topic...I think youth today may have problems singing even the basic tune of Lupang Hinirang. Ask your teenage relatives to sing and you will notice that they will surely fail on some lines...

Aawayin kita dito....your post is NOT off topic :D This thread, in my understanding, is all about the national anthem, basta anything related dito. So on-topic ka pa rin ;)

Anyways...agree ako dito sa sinabi mo, andami na nga atang hindi nakakakanta ng LH ng maayos. Maski nga mga ordinaryong tao lang sa kalsada, pag pinakanta mo on the spot, I doubt kung ganon karami lang ang makakakanta ng LH ng tama ang lyrics.

And maski itanong mo yung title, I'm sure maraming magsasabing ang pamagat ng ating pambansang awit ay "Bayang Magiliw" ;)

kumintang
08.04.16, 10:34 PM
Share ko lang ito sa inyo. Attached is my MIDI rendition of our First "Himno Nacional" (National Anthem), the "Marangal na Dalit ng Katagalugan" (1896). I made this MIDI sequence sometime in 2000.


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The First Philippine National Anthem:
Marangal na Dalit ng Katagalugan


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The original lyrics of Marangal na Dalit




"Historically, the present Pambansang awit (National Anthem) was not our first anthem. In 1896, Andres Bonifacio commissioned Julio Nakpil (who later married his widow Gregoria de Jesus), to compose a Himno Nacional. When Nakpil's music and lyrics were completed, the piece was entitled the Marangal na Dalit ng Katagalugan.

But because Bonifacio lost to Aguinaldo for the leadership of the revolution, we are now singing a different tune. Some people feel that the Nakpil anthem is superior to the Marcha Aguinaldo (Lupang Hinirang), citing Julian Felipe's obvious borrowings from the Spanish Marcha Real; komedya or 'moro-moro music, and the French Marseillaise."

- Ambeth Ocampo, `Why we're singing a different tune'
The Centennial Countdown, p. 266



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JULIO NAKPIL (http://julionakpil.blogspot.com/)
KKK Secretary of Command


"Julio Nakpil (1867-1960) composed this piece -- also known as the Marangal na Dalit ng Katagalugan -- at the request of Bonifacio when they were encamped with Katipunan troops in the vicinity of Balara in November 1896. The form chosen by Nakpil, the Dalit, was traditionally a sung prayer or supplication. He remembered the hymn still being played in Cavite and Laguna in 1898, but as the history textbooks tell Aguinaldo then chose as the "National Anthem" the composition by Julian Felipe originally titled the Marcha Filipina Magdalo.

In 1903 Nakpil reworked his Marangal na Dalit ng Katagalugan as a tribute to Rizal under the title Salve, Patria, but the only surviving copies of the original score were destroyed in 1945 during the battle for Manila."

-Richardson, Jim. "Andrés Bonifacio in Cavite, February 13, 1897"

Alexander
08.04.18, 09:01 AM
kumintang,

Taga National Archives ka ba? LOL , Grabe ang mga sources mo ha.

kumintang
08.04.18, 10:40 AM
kumintang,

Taga National Archives ka ba? LOL , Grabe ang mga sources mo ha.


Brod Alex,
Napapadalas lang tambay ko noon sa Natl. Historical Institute at sa "Filipiniana" Section ng National Library (masarap kasi zzz dun....aircon eh). Pero ang talagang main "source" ko ay heto: CLICK (http://www.bukaspalad.com/board/showthread.php?p=45141#post45141).


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simba
08.04.18, 12:00 PM
Thanks for this post Kumintang. Also thanks for the midi.

I’m suddenly reminded of a family friend Francisca Nakpil de Lange who used to call me “musiko” when I was a little boy. They also have told us greatly about the first national anthem “Marangal na Dalit…” written by her father Julio Nakpil as requested by Andres Bonifacio. She said that Gen. Aguinaldo did not endorsed it as the official anthem but instead preferred the work of his fellow Caviteño, Julian Felipe.

Inang Laya made a recording of the song. Just click the link to listen to it.

Marangal na Dalit ng Katagalugan by Inang Laya (http://www.imeem.com/jomalynteodoro/music/pJpUfm3x/inang_laya_marangal_na_dalit_ng_katagalugan/)

allen lucas
08.04.19, 07:47 PM
kumintang may full score na ng 1st national anthem natin?

ernanibaetiong
08.04.19, 10:08 PM
kumintang kapatid and prof simba, truly honored to get these informations about our proud colorful and most times controversial history. maraming salamat sa posting ng dalit. i am currently writing a musical play to be shown in august to coincide with the 112th anniversary of the cry of pugadlawin/balintawak/kangkong/banlat, kayo na po bahala mamili hehe, pati historical events natin may kani-kaniyang intriga pa. gagamitin ko sigurong final piece ang dalit bilang pambansang awit, sapagkat para sa akin si bonifacio ang unang pangulo, wag sana akong makulong hehe

recoletomusic
08.04.19, 10:25 PM
...wag sana akong makulong hehe

Hindi naman siguro kasi what you're going to show is part of the history.. :)

kumintang
08.04.20, 01:40 PM
kumintang may full score na ng 1st national anthem natin?


http://bp2.blogger.com/_Zb5-SYGdlwU/RleLqjfbiSI/AAAAAAAAAKI/KkXSbjVwnn8/s320/Marangal+na+Dalit+ng+Katalugan+1.jpg (http://bp2.blogger.com/_Zb5-SYGdlwU/RleLqjfbiSI/AAAAAAAAAKI/KkXSbjVwnn8/s1600-h/Marangal+na+Dalit+ng+Katalugan+1.jpg) .http://bp1.blogger.com/_Zb5-SYGdlwU/RleMITfbiTI/AAAAAAAAAKQ/TFLbjOFpt5k/s320/Marangal+na+Dalit+ng+Katalugan+2.jpg (http://bp1.blogger.com/_Zb5-SYGdlwU/RleMITfbiTI/AAAAAAAAAKQ/TFLbjOFpt5k/s1600-h/Marangal+na+Dalit+ng+Katalugan+2.jpg)


Scanned image of Julio Nakpil's "Marangal na dalit ng Katagalugan" from JULIO NAKPIL (http://julionakpil.blogspot.com/) Blog page by Carlos N. Santos-Viola. (Please click above graphics for a larger image.)



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kumintang
08.04.20, 01:57 PM
Hindi ba sa "Pugad Baboy" ginanap ang "cry"LOL
Apir tayo, para sa akin si Gat Andres Bonifacio ang "Unang Pangulo" ng Pilipinas!


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kumintang kapatid and prof simba, truly honored to get these informations about our proud colorful and most times controversial history. maraming salamat sa posting ng dalit. i am currently writing a musical play to be shown in august to coincide with the 112th anniversary of the cry of pugadlawin/balintawak/kangkong/banlat, kayo na po bahala mamili hehe, pati historical events natin may kani-kaniyang intriga pa. gagamitin ko sigurong final piece ang dalit bilang pambansang awit, sapagkat para sa akin si bonifacio ang unang pangulo, wag sana akong makulong hehe

allen lucas
08.04.21, 12:32 AM
kumintang salamat sa pagpost mo ng first national anthem natin, interesting siya kantahin, i hope maituro ko ito tamang panahon.

anya
08.05.09, 08:51 AM
A short anecdote…:)


Few months ago, we were invited to a school event in one of the Universities that started, as always, with a prayer and the singing of the "Lupang Hinirang". When the little boy approached the microphone, it was fairly obvious that we would not be singing with a recorded version of the anthem, and that we would have live singing without any musical accompaniment. His voice was very good, "Pinoy Dream Academy" material, but the Joey Reyes in me reared its ugly head when he started singing slowly as if the national anthem was a lullaby.

The tempo was so excruciatingly slow that I gave up singing after the second line and asked myself, ”Aren't we supposed to sing the anthem, as a military march?"

Toward the end of the anthem, he picked up speed and people who had given up on the singing earlier started joining in. Then at the last line, he picked up the volume and belted out the last word in a pitch that caught everyone off guard.

The applause followed; the audience liked him. Yes, the voice was very good, the showmanship superb, but was this way our anthem was supposed to be sung?

We take too much freedom with the national anthem. Watch and cringe over videos shown during the last full show in movie house or those aired when television stations sign off. Choral groups are particularly at fault when they change the tempo, tone and pitch of the anthem to suit their artistic view. Sometime back, one associate professor in the ADMU ( Quezon City ) had a fit when a choir performed in the Henry Lee Irwin Theater.

The object is to get the audience to sing or feel patriotic. The anthem is not there to showcase the vocal range of choral groups.

allen lucas
08.05.09, 09:34 AM
i agree with anya kase sometimes binabago ng ibang singers ang style ng pagkanta ng national anthem natin kaya yung mga younger generation nasasanay sa ganung version at hindi nila alam yung original tempo ng ating national anthem, take for example the way our national anthem were sang during pacquiao fights may mga singers dun na halos gawan ng sariling version ang national anthem nandun na gawin nilang pop at lullaby yung kanta, one time nga nung may napanood ako na ganun ang ginawa na version naiinis ako sa singer kase d na nya ginalang yung national anthem natin.

bingo
08.05.10, 12:58 AM
Share ko lang ito sa inyo. Attached is my MIDI rendition of our First "Himno Nacional" (National Anthem), the "Marangal na Dalit ng Katagalugan" (1896). I made this MIDI sequence sometime in 2000.

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grabe talaga, honestly, ngayon ko lang nalaman ito... ito pala ang first nat'l anthem natin:)

Alexander
08.05.12, 06:42 AM
i agree with anya kase sometimes binabago ng ibang singers ang style ng pagkanta ng national anthem natin kaya yung mga younger generation nasasanay sa ganung version at hindi nila alam yung original tempo ng ating national anthem, take for example the way our national anthem were sang during pacquiao fights may mga singers dun na halos gawan ng sariling version ang national anthem nandun na gawin nilang pop at lullaby yung kanta, one time nga nung may napanood ako na ganun ang ginawa na version naiinis ako sa singer kase d na nya ginalang yung national anthem natin.

Ginagaya kasi nila how the Americans sing their national anthem e :)

allen lucas
08.05.12, 08:20 AM
pansin ko nga kuya alex yung mga American's may kanya kanya silang version ng national anthem nila. sana hindi ito mangyari sa atin at sana mabago na yung pang interpret ng national anthem natin at mag stick tayo sa original tempo at style ng pagkanta nito.

Yna Suello
08.05.14, 10:58 AM
pansin ko nga kuya alex yung mga Americans may kanya kanya silang version ng national anthem nila. sana hindi ito mangyari sa atin at sana mabago na yung pang interpret ng national anthem natin at mag stick tayo sa original tempo at style ng pagkanta nito.

Napansin ko nga rin, ganun nga yung sa mga Amerikano. At talagang ipinapanalangin ko na YUN ang HUWAG na HUWAG gagayahin ng mga Pilipino (alam naman natin na mahilig ang mga Pilipino makisabay sa agos ng Kanluran, lalo ng Amerika.). Ang himig ang titik ng Lupang Hinirang ay ginawa para sa mga Pilipino, kaya marapat na istilong Pilipino lang ang gamitin sa pag-awit: simple at walang arte. Ang ganda naman ng pag-interpret ng kanta, sikat ka mang singer o hindi, ay wala sa dami ng birit o kulot kundi sa husay ng pagpaparating ng mensahe ng awit sa mga nakikinig.

Hay. :|

Hehe. :D

bobreyes
08.05.17, 11:36 AM
I think, it's the arrangement of Prof. Lucio which is being used in Ayala Cinema's during LFS.

nvzblklr3
08.06.18, 07:20 AM
yeah.. you guys are correct.. sa Amerika kanya kanya silang version ng pagkanta.. nsan ang unity? haha.. sana hindi mangyari sa atin yun,

jocheben
09.01.24, 10:22 AM
mayron po ba kayong ibang arrangement aside from Ed Nepomucemo?

ernanibaetiong
09.01.24, 03:32 PM
Meron, SSAATTBB arrangement.

jocheben
09.01.24, 03:40 PM
Meron, SSAATTBB arrangement.

ang bigat naman ng arrangement...hehe.

michaela
09.02.22, 09:48 PM
I got this from email:


It must be remembered that that 'Himno Nacional Filipino' was forbidden to be played during the American occupation; even the Philippine was also not allowed to fly our VERY own skies! Such BAN happened immediately after the defeat of the Spanish Armada in the decisive battle of Manila Bay. (QUOTE_Saiaopinoi)

well,it's a shame that there are still some of us who doesnt know our national anthem. forgot some lyrics? forgivable. but worst, they don't even know what the title is. Hmmmmmm....

During American Era:

Land of the morning,
Child of the sun returning,
With fervor burning
Thee do our souls adore.

Land dear and holy,
Cradle of noble heroes.
Ne'er shall invaders
Trample thy sacred shore.

Ever within thy skies and through thy clouds,
And oe'r thy hills and sea,
Do we behold the radiance
Feel the throb of glorious liberty.

Thy banner, dear to all our hearts
Its sun and star alight
O never shall its shining field
Be dimmed by tyrants might.

Beautiful land of love, O land of light,
In thine embrace 'tis rapture to lie;
But it is glory ever, when thou art wronged
for us, thy sons to suffer and die.



Lupang Hinirang (filipino Version)

Bayang Magiliw
Perlas ng Silanganan,
Alab ng puso
Sa dibdib mo'y buhay.

Lupang hinirang,
Duyan ka ng magiting,
Sa manlulupig,
'Di ka pasisiil.

Sa dagat at bundok,
Sa simoy at sa langit mong bughaw,
May dilag ang tula at awit
Sa paglayang minamahal.

Ang kislap ng watawat mo'y
Tagumpay na nagniningning,
Ang bituin at araw niya
Kailan pa ma'y 'di magdidilim.

Lupa ng araw, ng luwalhati't pagsinta,
Buhay ay langit sa piling mo;
Aming ligaya, na 'pag may mang-aapi
Ang mamatay nang dahil sa 'yo.



keep your Filipino blood proud.

sunniela
09.04.07, 08:57 AM
Just wondering.
What does music arrangement pertain to?
Is is the scale, tempo, meter, harmony, texture, and dynamics?
Is the type of instrument used part of it?

Cause I saw someone on tv play the National Anthem on guitar. As in instead of playing it on the piano, he plucked the guitar. Is it illegal or something?

titopao
09.04.07, 09:31 AM
Just wondering.
What does music arrangement pertain to?
Is is the scale, tempo, meter, harmony, texture, and dynamics?
Is the type of instrument used part of it?

Cause I saw someone on tv play the National Anthem on guitar. As in instead of playing it on the piano, he plucked the guitar. Is it illegal or something?

Arrangement pertains to the setting of the music. It includes everything you just mentioned :P For example, the original National Anthem was written for piano only, then later for marching band. (And it doesn't even have lyrics.) Later composers and arrangers came up with different settings (or arrangements) that used a variety of instrument combinations and probably additional countermelodies. For all I care, you can even make an arrangement for flute, guitar, viola and harmonica :P The point of arrangement is that the essence of the music is still there, such as the melody and most (if not all) of the harmonic progression. Hence, a hypothetical version with rap lyrics would no longer be considered an arrangement, but essentially a derivative work based on the National Anthem.

Technically speaking, the National Anthem is in the public domain, which means it's not encumbered by copyrights. But the reason is not because it's the national anthem and hence should be used by the nation (that's not good enough a reason). The National Anthem is not copyrighted because:

1. its composer is long dead.
2. the national anthem, including the lyrics, are itself incorporated into law (you can even read the official Tagalog lyrics there)...and the texts of laws are automatically placed in the public domain, by virtue of existing copyrights laws.

With regard to rearranging the national anthem itself, this is a gray area. Purists insist that the National Anthem should never be rearranged, but the truth is the law is very vague on this...it actually contradicts itself!!! The Philippine Heraldic Code of 1998 (passed during the Centennial frenzy) says that only the arrangement of Julian Felipe should be used, but this implies that we are not obligated to sing the lyrics because:

1. Julian Felipe didn't compose Lupang Hinirang with lyrics in mind, and never collaborated with a lyricist;
2. Contemporary historical accounts mention that the National Anthem was played first on the piano (in the presence of Emilio Aguinaldo) without words on it;
3. Eyewitness accounts also mention that when the flag was unfurled, only instrumental music was played. Nobody was singing "the national anthem" precisely because there were no lyrics to sing.
4. the poem by Jose Palma ("Tierra adorada..."), which became the basis for the National Anthem, was written years long after marching bands throughout the country were playing the tune. (And, mind you, it wasn't the only lyrics written for it either, there were at least two other versions).

To compound the problem, there is no extant copy of either the piano-only arrangement or the marching band-only arrangement. What the law is asking for (the Julian Felipe arrangement) is next to impossible, as nobody knows today how the original arrangement really looked or sounded like.

So, literally speaking, the only permissible arrangements for the National Anthem "should be" for instrumental piano only OR for instrumental marching band only. But the law says that there are lyrics on it so...it only shows how ignorant some (if not all) Congressmen are :P :P :P

sunniela
09.04.07, 10:14 AM
Haha.
Thanks for clarifying, titopao!
:)

bluemurdock
09.04.07, 11:59 PM
personally, mas prefer ko ang arrangement ni maestro san pedro over nepomuceno's.. though sabi nila eh ipinagbabawal ito diumano (which i think they wouldnt do, perhaps discourage lang)dahil sa tempo nito as compared sa "tamang" tempo.. yung grandiosity of his arrangement makes you feel proud to be a Filipino while singing it... two cents lang po..

jigokushinigamiai
09.04.08, 08:47 PM
grabe yung arrangement ni sir Lucio San Pedro ang galing grabe hands down namangha ako masyado nung tinugtog yun ng pyanista namin bago aralin kinalibutan ako sobra... :)

bajo
09.04.29, 07:08 AM
This is Martin Nievera's version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0zvDjNYqVQ

Ito yung kakantahin niya sa Sunday sa Pacquiao Hatton Fight.

What do you think guys?

allen lucas
09.04.29, 11:20 AM
narinig ko na bajo yung version ni martin, bakit binago na naman nila yung version, naging pop na naman yung version, bakit kase madalas puro pop singer ang pinapakanta nila nito.

Paulus_Magnus
09.04.29, 07:37 PM
Naging "pop" version nanam ang Lupang hinirang. haaaaayyy..... figures.

Alexander
09.04.30, 06:43 AM
Nagpapaka "Kano" kasi. Ginagaya ang mga taga US na "maskipap" ang version. (Meaning maski paano kantahin :P)

titopao
09.04.30, 12:02 PM
Hmm...here's a challenge to everyone and anybody who's concerned with the proliferation of "pop"-fied versions of the National Anthem.

According to the Philippine Heraldic Code of 1998 (RA 8491) (i-Google n'yo na lang, it's all over the 'Net :P), the National Anthem should be sung with fervor and according to the arrangement of Julian Felipe. Setting aside the debates about whether that means we should not sing it at all (bec. the original performances didn't have lyrics), or whether it should be in 2/4 or 4/4 (let's leave that to the hardcore musicologists), or whether we can sing it in languages other than Tagalog, the main point of the law is that Lupang Hinirang should be sung like a march, and with a very upbeat tempo, and not as a love song or as a "birit" pop song.

Since there are concerns about the National Anthem being mutilated by the latest pop singers, why not sue these pop singers for violating RA 8491? The grounds are good enough: the law says the singing of the National Anthem should stir fervor, and meaning it should stir a sense of pride and nationalism even to those who are not familiar with the lyrics. Singing it like a pop love song is out of the question and also provides a bad example on how to sing the National anthem. A good reference point will be the Lucio San Pedro arrangement or the Redentor Romero arrangement; both arrangements, while not ideal, are arguably much much better than any of the versions performed in Manny Pacquiao's fights.

If there are reservations about it being sung too fast, try nyo hanapin sa Google ang mga laban ni Pacquiao against some Mexicans. Pakinggan ninyo kung paano nila awitin ang kanilang pambansang awit. Chances are, mabilis ang kanta nila, at sobrang nakakapanindig-balahibo...it's so stirring it will really make you want to stand up from your chair and shout "Viva la Mexico!" :P Kung nagagawa ng mga Mexicans na ganoon katapang ang pag-awit ng kanilang pambansang awit, then why can't we do the same? Kung tutuusin, we do have a law to guarantee that ;)

I'm serious. It's about time someone really does that, para matauhan ang mga pop singers (at maging si Manny Pacquiao) sa walang-habas na pagbababoy sa National Anthem. If you think that's far-fetched, think of Christian Bautista---he has to make a very public apology (on National TV) for forgetting the lyrics (I can't remember if he was fined, though.) 8)


EBIT: O, s'ya, I've included a PDF copy of RA8192, for everyone's benefit (especially the parents, students, teachers and government workers here) :) Since this is a work of the Philippine government, this work is not copyrighted, so it doesn't violate the board's IP policy. Feel free to share it and pass it around. Remember, ignorance of the law excuses no one 8)

Paulus_Magnus
09.04.30, 02:46 PM
why not sue these pop singers for violating RA 8491?

Tama! We are citizens of the Philippines and it is our right as a Filipino to complain against these offenses against the heraldic code of our country. Pero the question is, where should we start?

allen lucas
09.04.30, 06:02 PM
tama bang isama as repertoire yung national anthem natin sa isang show? for sure nung kinakanta ito ni martin sa robinson the audience don't even respect our national anthem, for sure naka upo sila at naghihiyawan.

titopao
09.04.30, 06:34 PM
tama bang isama as repertoire yung national anthem natin sa isang show?

Actually, there are instances where singing of the National Anthem is mandatory. Depende sa klase ng show.

Per section 98 of RA 8491, singing of the National Anthem may be done in public gatherings, but is especially mandatory on places where there are flag-raising ceremonies (such as in schools, government offices, and in public monuments with flagpoles).

Singing of Lupang Hinirang is not allowed "for mere recreation, amusement or entertainment purposes" but allows only these few exceptions:

(a) International competitions where the Philippines is the host or has a representative; [hence, the singing of Lupang Hinirang in Manny Pacquiao's fights. Olympics are an exception, though, because the Olympics play by a different rule, where the national anthem of only the gold medalist is performed during the awarding of medals; this, if any, is one compelling reason why we should still hope for a Pinoy gold medalist in the Olympics, because we don't often hear Lupang Hinirang in an international broadcast ;)]

(b) Local competitions; [If your baranggay's amateur singing contest isn't doing this, then do tell your baranggay captain that Lupang Hinirang should be included in the program]

(c) During the "signing off" and "signing on" of radio broadcasting and television stations; (That's why you still see/hear it even at midnight, in case you catch the sign-off.)

(d) Before the initial and last screening of films and before the opening of theater performances; [That's why you see it in the first screening and last full show of a movie, and also just before a show in the CCP starts]

and

(e) Other occasions as may be allowed by the [National Historical] Institute.(when in doubt, contact the NHI and ask if you are allowed to sing the National Anthem in a program not included on this list)


I have yet to see a case where someone reported to the authorities people who are not standing up or who are not behaving accordingly when Lupang Hinirang is being sung, but at any rate don't be one of those people. Any form of disrespect for the Philippine heraldic symbols---which includes the flag, the national anthem, the national motto ("Maka-Diyos, Makatao, Makakalikasan at Makabansa"), the coat of arms, the Great Seal---is punishable by a fine not less than P5,000 and not more than P1,000,000, or by imprisonment for not more than one year, or both fine and imprisonment. It's interesting to see how one such case would play out. Any takers? :P

At any rate, don't be the one who's showing disrespect for the flag and the national anthem. Mas mabuting tayo ang nagse-set ng magandang halimbawa sa iba, di ba? ;)

(Side note: hindi po kasama sa "national symbols" ang national heroes and other nonsensical "national objects" such as national animal, national bird, national food, national dance, and the like (yung mga madalas makita sa mga posters na binebenta sa---no pun intended---National Bookstore. Hindi covered ng RA 8491 ang mga ito, very specific lang ang mga bagay na nasasaklaw ng batas na ito.)

reksuyah
09.05.03, 11:55 AM
may accompaniment si martin nung kumanta. hindi ko gusto ang version niya. hindi nakasabay yung mga pilipino sa kanta. buti pa yung god save the queen, kumakanta lahat ng Britons.

Paulus_Magnus
09.05.03, 12:14 PM
may accompaniment si martin nung kumanta. hindi ko gusto ang version niya. hindi nakasabay yung mga pilipino sa kanta. buti pa yung god save the queen, kumakanta lahat ng Britons.

Pumiyok si Martin! Hahaha! LOL

doods
09.05.04, 03:32 AM
Pagpasensyahan nyo na ako,di ako nakapag aral eh,hangang second year highshool lang ang inabot ko,meron lang akong itatanong,anong mangyayari ba kung may inibang tuno ang isang mangaawit na tulad ni martin nievera,sa ating pambansang awit?mas lalo bang bababa ang dignidad nating mga pilipino?para sa akin okey lang yon,ang dapat nating pagtuonan ng pansin ang graft and coruption sa ating bansa,na ang mahihirap lalong naghihirap,iyan ang dapat ibahin ang tuno.marami sa ating mga matataas ang kapang yarihan ganito ang nasa isip nila sa pagawit ng pambansang awit(last part)ang mamatay ng kayo kayo nalang....:( sorry po.

titopao
09.05.04, 08:33 AM
@reksuyah: Baka naman kasi karamihan ng mga Pinoy doon ay mga Filipino-Americans na doon na ipinanganak at lumaki sa US. Naturally, ibang national anthem ang alam nila :P

@doods: Yes, that's true, marami ring mga problema ang ating bansa. Ngunit given na napakahalagang bahagi ng pagka-Pilipino ang mga sagisag ng ating bansa tulad ng Lupang Hinirang at ang ating watawat, may mga pagkakataong kailangan ding pagtuunan ng pansin ang anumang problema tungkol dito, lalo na't ito ay isa sa mga pagkakataong maririnig ang Lupang Hinirang sa labas ng Pilipinas. S'yempre, yung mga circumstances ng problema tungkol sa korapsyon at tungkol sa maling pag-awit ng Lupang Hinirang ay maaaksyunan sa pamamagitan ng magkaibang paraan, at ibang pansin ang kailangang ibigay sa kanila. Pero hindi ibig sabihin na komo pinapansin ngayon ang pagkanta ni Martin Nievera ay kinakalimutan na natin ang korapsyon at iba pang problema sa ating bansa.

Kumbaga sa mga usaping pansimbahan,parehong problema ang (for example) kawalan ng moralidad at kawalan ng respeto sa Santa Misa ng mga tao (sa pamamagitan ng pag-iingay, pagsisimba kung Simbang Gabi at Mahal na Araw lang, atbp.). Maaring sabihin nating mas importante ang problema ng moralidad, ngunit hindi ibig sabihin noon na hindi na rin natin hahayaan yung isa pang problema (o dili kaya'y hahayaan lumala pa). Pareho silang nangangailangan ng aksyon, yun nga lang ay magkaiba sila ng kategorya, at sa magkaibang paraan din malulutas ang mga problemang iyon.

Siguro, matters of priority lang or timing kasi, sa kasong ito, mas napagtutuunan ng pansin ang Lupang Hinirang dahil sa napagtutuunan lang ito ng pansin ng mga tao sa ngayon. Pero asahan mong pagkatapos ng ilang mga araw, babalik uli ang mga usapin sa ibang mga problema katulad, halimbawa, ng away nina Manny Villar at Ping Lacson. (At tama si Miriam Santiago, mas dapat yata'ng si Manny at si Ping na lang ang nagsuntukan sa boxing ring :P )

silveryellow
09.05.04, 02:44 PM
may accompaniment si martin nung kumanta. hindi ko gusto ang version niya. hindi nakasabay yung mga pilipino sa kanta. buti pa yung god save the queen, kumakanta lahat ng Britons.


That may not be the most likeable version, but is still way better than those done in previous Pacman matches, I think ;)
Best of all, it was approved by NHI, as shown right after Martin sang it, right before the ads ;)


Pumiyok si Martin! Hahaha! LOL
Although worse pa rin yong isang kumanta sa isang laban nya, yong nag-flat :P

allen lucas
09.05.04, 04:30 PM
Ganun, bakit kaya pinayagan ng NHI yung version ni martin?

ernanibaetiong
09.05.04, 05:07 PM
Yun bang nasa youtube link ni bajo yung same rendition sa laban kahapon? di ko kasi napanood eh.

Kung yun nga eh I'll raise my hand to Martin...with four fingers in that hand bending I assure you.

bajo
09.05.04, 06:22 PM
http://showbizandstyle.inquirer.net/breakingnews/breakingnews/view/20090503-202842/Martin-Nievera-sang-Lupang-Hinirang-wrong


In a text message, NHI chairman Ambeth Ocampo expressed dissatisfaction with the latest rendition and added that the flashing of the agency's seal was "without our permission."



Ganun, bakit kaya pinayagan ng NHI yung version ni martin?

allen lucas
09.05.04, 07:45 PM
Yari sila martin nievera, ang bigat ng kasalanan nila sa NHI, dapat ipatawag sila ng NHI at magsilbing warning ito sa mga singer's

rammstein
09.05.05, 12:58 AM
... Kung yun nga eh I'll raise my hand to Martin...with four fingers in that hand bending I assure you.

make that two hands, bro. i even heard in the news that he said he will offer no apology because he did not change any note. eh ano yung tono ng last 6 notes na kinanta nya? i'm no expert and i'm far from being a great musician, but i "know" when a song doesn't sound right...

allen lucas
09.05.05, 03:15 PM
Talaga lang ha? parang nangangarap yata si martin, dapat siguro gumawa na ng action ang NHI this time para magising siya sa katotohanan.

lady_toast
09.05.05, 05:10 PM
Guys! Why on earth are you being mean to Martin Nievera? Let this Z-lister have his spot in the limelight! Kayo naman o! Bihira na ngang pag-usapan yung tao, pagbigyan ninyo na! Minsan na nga lang mapag-usapan yung tao, sinu-spoil ninyo pa! LOL


Ok, kidding aside...

make that two hands, bro. i even heard in the news that he said he will offer no apology because he did not change any note. eh ano yung tono ng last 6 notes na kinanta nya? i'm no expert and i'm far from being a great musician, but i "know" when a song doesn't sound right...

Make that three hands. :|

Wow, the nerve. I definitely concur that it's about time that the NHI does something to prevent these douchebags from making a mess out of our national anthem. Ako naiirita na e. Parang every after may laban si Pacquiao lagi na lang nagpapa-alala ang NHI na ganito ang dapat na pagkanta sa national anthem, mabilis, march-style. Mukha na nga silang sirang plaka sa kaka-paalala. Tas hindi pa rin maitanim ng mga professional singers na 'to sa mga kukote nila ang appropriate way of singing the national anthem? Nakakahiya naman! Yung mga Mexicano nga kapag kinakanta yung national anthem nila e parang wala lang, hindi na nila nilalagyan nila ng style yung pagkanta, basta mai-deliver lang ang message ng kanta ng maayos e ok na! At ok naman pakinggan yung national anthem nila!

Siguro naman, hindi naman ganun kaimportante sa mga audience ang makarinig ng ibang version ng Lupang Hinirang. Pakielam ba kasi natin? Basta naman maideliver lang ng maayos e ok na. Those singers defeat their purpose of singing the national anthem altogehter, and that is to stir nationalistic fervor from the listeners. Yun bang, parang, uy, asteeg maging Pinoy. Kaso hindi e. The only feelings that they are able to stir inside of me is anger, and the irresistible urge to throw rotten tomatoes at them.

I rest my case.

herald
09.05.05, 05:37 PM
Kala ko magaling na mang-aawit si Martin Nievera, sa tingin ko naman marunong sya sa musika, rinig na rinig naman na sa last part eh , iniba nya ang tno, tapos sasabihin nya wala syang iniba... sayang talaga kung si Lea Salonga pinili na kumanta ng National Anthem natin eh tapos na sana ang boksing (so far si lea salonga pa lang ang pumasa sa NHI)

mukhang kadikit na ng bawat laban ni Pacman ang patikos sa kumakanta ng Lupang hinirang

Alna_lou
09.05.05, 05:58 PM
hmmm...got this one from PEP website



Martin Nievera asked to apologize in public for "incorrect" rendition of "Lupang Hinirang"

Nerisa Almo

Monday, May 4, 2009
09:44 PM

Martin Nievera gave a different rendition of the Philippine national anthem "Lupang Hinirang," before the start of Manny Pacquiao's fight against British boxer Ricky Hatton yesterday, May 3, inside MGM Grand Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada. Manny convincingly won the fight.

read the rest of the story here...

http://www.pep.ph/news/21654/Martin-Nievera-asked-to-apologize-in-public-for-"incorrect"-rendition-of-"Lupang-Hinirang"

nargalzius
09.05.06, 02:56 PM
Sabi ni Alex link ko daw yung blog ko about it, so eto siya. (http://www.nargalzius.com/blog/archives/2009/05/05/lupang-hinirang)

Feel free to comment there if you agree, disagree, or have anything else to add/mention. And of course continue the discussion in detail here in the boards :)

kumintang
09.05.06, 09:19 PM
Sabi ni Alex link ko daw yung blog ko about it, so eto siya. (http://www.nargalzius.com/blog/archives/2009/05/05/lupang-hinirang)

Feel free to comment there if you agree, disagree, or have anything else to add/mention. And of course continue the discussion in detail here in the boards :)

Sir, the link to your page is not working. Here's what I got:

http://i369.photobucket.com/albums/oo134/kumintang/BPO%20Stuffs/error.jpg

reksuyah
09.05.06, 09:32 PM
webmaster, error po kapag click ko. bat ganun?

allen lucas
09.05.07, 01:06 AM
webmaster error po yung link.

rammstein
09.05.07, 02:08 AM
Same here... Error establishing a database connection :(

simpatico
09.05.07, 06:30 AM
Good day Onliners,

Naiinis ako dun sa mga kritiko na bumabanat kay Martin Nievera dahil sa paraan niya ng pagkanta ng Philippine National Anthem sa laban ni Pacman. 'Di ba panahon na dapat para mas lalo nating pagandahin ang song para hindi na kakasawang pakinggan? Agree ba kayo? gusto ko malaman opinion niyo. Don't you think it's about time na i-ammend na natin yung law regarding dito?

rammstein
09.05.07, 08:30 AM
for me, any "good" change is always welcome. kung gusto nila palitan, then it has to be changed thru the proper channels. amend the law. but there should only be one accepted guideline on how it should be sung.

many have tried and failed, though.

as for martin, maraming nagagalit kasi he deviated from the song's form. kaya nga anthem, it's intended for everyone to sing "as one". would you suddenly change the tune of the song you have rehearsed with your fellow choir members, on your performance night? unlike many of the songs he's now trying to revive and earn money from, the National Anthem represents the country. he was given a very big responsibility (and opportunity) to represent and lead the country in singing "as one". that night, he represented only himself. :(

manoiskee
09.05.07, 08:33 AM
taken from chanrobles.com

REPUBLIC ACT NO. 8491

...

CHAPTER II
THE NATIONAL ANTHEM

Sec. 35. The National Anthem is entitled Lupang Hinirang.

Sec. 36. The National Anthem shall always be sung in the national language within or without the country. The following shall be the lyrics of the National Anthem:

Bayang magiliw,
Perlas ng Silanganan
Alab ng puso,
Sa Dibdib mo'y buhay.
Lupang Hinirang,
Duyan ka ng magiting,
Sa manlulupig,
Di ka pasisiil.
Sa dagat at bundok,
Sa simoy at sa langit mong bughaw,
May dilag ang tula,
At awit sa paglayang minamahal.
Ang kislap ng watawat mo'y
Tagumpay na nagniningning,
Ang bituin at araw niya,
Kailan pa ma'y di magdidilim,
Lupa ng araw ng luwalhati't pagsinta,
Buhay ay langit sa piling mo,
Aming ligaya na pag may mang-aapi,
Ang mamatay ng dahil sa iyo.

Sec. 37. The rendition of the National Anthem, whether played or sung, shall be in accordance with the musical arrangement and composition of Julian Felipe.

Sec. 38. When the National Anthem is played at a public gathering, whether by a band or by singing or both, or reproduced by any means, the attending public shall sing the anthem. The singing must be done with fervor.

As a sign of respect, all persons shall stand at attention and face the Philippine flag, if there is one displayed, and if there is none, they shall face the band or the conductor. At the first note, all persons shall execute a salute by placing their right palms over their left chests. Those in military, scouting, citizens military training and security guard uniforms shall give the salute prescribed by their regulations. The salute shall be completed upon the last note of the anthem.

The anthem shall not be played and sung for mere recreation, amusement or entertainment purposes except on the following occasions:

a) International competitions where the Philippines is the host or has a representative;

b) Local competitions;

c) During the "signing off" and "signing on" of radio broadcasting and television stations;

d) Before the initial and last screening of films and before the opening of theater performances; and

e) Other occasions as may be allowed by the Institute.

Sec. 39. All officials and employees of the national and local government, and any agency or instrumentality thereof, including government-owned or controlled corporations, privately-owned entities or offices displaying the national flag and government institutions of learning are hereby directed to comply strictly with the rules prescribed for the rendition of the anthem. Failure to observe the rules shall be a ground for administrative discipline.

yenzephyr
09.05.07, 09:41 AM
ang hindi ko kase nagustuhan dun yung sinabi ni martin sa interview after ng fight ni pacman na:

hindi nya pinalitan yung tono.

okay na sana yung sinabi nyang hindi sya magso-sorry kase ganito ganyan. na kesyo kinuha sya ni pacman kase gusto ni pacman yung way kung pano sya kumanta, etc... pero yung sabihin nyang wala syang binago parang hmm... teka teka, alam mo ba talaga ang kantang yan para sabihin mo yun?

at sabi ni mr. c kagabi sa news nagulat din sya about dun.

hongkong

@ manoiskee, chanrobles.com has always been very useful to me ahehehe...

Coolwaters
09.05.07, 10:13 AM
Hmmm... I think dapat din sigurong isaalang-alang ang interpretation ng kanta... Bakit kaya dito lang may clamor sa pagkanta ng national anthem, samantalang sa US, iba iba naman silang version ng Star Spangled Banner, every singer merong signature version, like Charice Pempengco na ginawa pa ni David Foster? Walang problema sa kanila, and they have a general preference for the interpretation of the Star Spangled Banner with much fervor and emotion...

Preferably, I wanted the national anthem being sang in a slower beat, with inclusions of crescendos and decrescendos in some meaningful lines. That way, mas nararamdaman ng tao ang national anthem, kaysa sa rigid marching beat nito... This is one of the reasons why George Canseco campaigned (and failed, with heavy criticism) a few years before his death to ammend the law for the re-arrangement of the national anthem.

Regardless of the criticisms on Martin's performance, kinilabutan ako ng konti ng marinig ko yung version niya. For me, it had more meaning, and made me prouder as a Filipino... Yun lang po... :D

ernanibaetiong
09.05.07, 10:15 AM
Welcome naman din talaga ang change. Problem with this darn singer is binago nya yung anthem before mabago yung batas. Ibig sabihin hindi nya nirerespeto ang batas. Ibig sabihin nun kailangan syang ikulong/pagmultahin dahil sa di pagkilala sa batas. At conditional pa talaga yung pagso-sorry eh no, arrogance no doubt.

kumintang
09.05.07, 11:12 AM
Welcome naman din talaga ang change. Problem with this darn singer is binago nya yung anthem before mabago yung batas. Ibig sabihin hindi nya nirerespeto ang batas. Ibig sabihin nun kailangan syang ikulong/pagmultahin dahil sa di pagkilala sa batas. At conditional pa talaga yung pagso-sorry eh no, arrogance no doubt.

Bestpren, ang puso mo! Czyre, tawagin ko na ba si BlueM? :D


(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vma-o_Hgyl4&fmt=18)
http://i369.photobucket.com/albums/oo134/kumintang/BPO%20Stuffs/apology.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vma-o_Hgyl4&fmt=18)





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czyre
09.05.07, 11:35 AM
bi boo bi boo bi boo... eto na ambulance... LOL

I've always been a big fan of Martin but not this time. Agree ako kay Nani, at least man lang sana nagtanong muna siya kung okey lang yung arrangement niya bago niya kinanta... Parang sa simbahan, tanungin muna ang pari kung ok lang yung kanta kung hindi sigurado. Pag nagkamali, humingi ng paumanhin.

angelo_a
09.05.07, 11:58 AM
bi boo bi boo bi boo... eto na ambulance... LOL

I've always been a big fan of Martin but not this time. Agree ako kay Nani, at least man lang sana nagtanong muna siya kung okey lang yung arrangement niya bago niya kinanta... Parang sa simbahan, tanungin muna ang pari kung ok lang yung kanta kung hindi sigurado. Pag nagkamali, humingi ng paumanhin.

nabasa ko kanina pinagsabihan naman pala siya ni Prof Ryan C na wag ibahin ang tono pero nagpumilit pa rin daw si Martin.

dangpogi
09.05.07, 11:58 AM
uhm..you have all points guys..pero on my own point of view siguro ok lang un..un ung way nya e..siguro its time for a change..kasi di natin makanta ung anthem natin gamit ung heart of being a Filipino because of the law embracing on it..siguro ung mali nya lang is ung parang may interlude sa gitna nung song bat the tempo ok lang naman and he gives a great finale of the anthem..di naman masyado malayo sa tune db..dun pa din ung melody..tsaka its too late sa mga nagki-critic kay martin kasi dapat prior pa nila ginawa un nung di pa laban ni pacquiao para na screen..tanung ko lang walang bat commitee or goverment agencies na nagsscreen ng mga ganyang events dito satin?kasi bat nakalusot ung sinasabi na "new version" ng anthem.?and ang pagkakaalam ko inanounce din yan sa TV about sa song for the fight wala man lang nakamonitor para prior pa lang e di na nagamit ung version at napaplitan ng original?tapos ngaun sila maghahabol nung nangyari na..so marami tuloy mga issues na naglalabasan db..:)

manoiskee
09.05.07, 12:13 PM
hmmm, dun sa reasoning ni martin na pacman asked him to sing... yes, he was asked to sing, pero not to rearrange... di sya apologetic, alam nya ba yung tungkol sa batas? maganda musically yung ginawa nya pero labag sa batas, and i think he should pay the price.

titopao
09.05.07, 12:18 PM
Guys, mukhang fixed na ;) I've already made my own comment there, but it's the same things I've been saying here on the boards (re "marching band and piano only"), so di ko na sya uulitin here.

czyre
09.05.07, 12:49 PM
nabasa ko kanina pinagsabihan naman pala siya ni Prof Ryan C na wag ibahin ang tono pero nagpumilit pa rin daw si Martin.

oh... so mali nga talaga siya. sayang naman... idol ko naman siya...:(

kumintang
09.05.07, 12:56 PM
bi boo bi boo bi boo... eto na ambulance... LOL



bi boo bi boo ??? Czyre, sigurado ka bang Ambulance yan? Iniba mo yata ang tono ng huni eh. Ang alam ko kasing huni ng ambulance eh wang wang wang wang LOL Ok back to topic....

angelo_a
09.05.07, 01:01 PM
oh... so mali nga talaga siya. sayang naman... idol ko naman siya...:(

Eto: "I warned Martin on changing anthem style"
http://showbizandstyle.inquirer.net/breakingnews/breakingnews/view/20090506-203466/I-warned-Martin-on-changing-anthem-style
(http://showbizandstyle.inquirer.net/breakingnews/breakingnews/view/20090506-203466/I-warned-Martin-on-changing-anthem-style)

Sa akin naman, mas malaki ang dapat isisi kung meron man sa NHI at kung sino man ang accountable. Parang OA kasi na halimbawa isa sa atin ang nagpunta sa ibang bansa in our capacity as a Filipino then we are asked or requested to sing the national anthem sa isang gathering na hindi naman prestigious, dapat ba tayong kumuha ng permiso sa NHI na aprubado nila ang paraan kung paano natin kakantahin ang Lupang Hinirang? Kasi kung parurusahan nila si Martin, dapat lahat ng nagkamali patawan din (di lang konti yon siguro) so parang OA na. Mas malaki pa nga ang kasalanan sa bayan ng mga nanunungkulan pero tignan mo naman... oops, komentaryo lang ito. :)

czyre
09.05.07, 01:01 PM
e yan ang naririnig ko sa cow ang chicken eh! tagalog yung wang wang... englich yung bi boo bi boo... :PLOL

thanks for the link angelo_a.:)

simpatico
09.05.07, 01:02 PM
Hmmm... I think dapat din sigurong isaalang-alang ang interpretation ng kanta... Bakit kaya dito lang may clamor sa pagkanta ng national anthem, samantalang sa US, iba iba naman silang version ng Star Spangled Banner, every singer merong signature version, like Charice Pempengco na ginawa pa ni David Foster? Walang problema sa kanila, and they have a general preference for the interpretation of the Star Spangled Banner with much fervor and emotion...

korek Coolwaters! I agree very much! dito lang naman yan sa Pilipinas nangyayari ang ganyan. Imbes na pagtuunan ng mga mambabatas ang paglilingkod sa mga Pilipino, eto at nakikisawsaw sa mga issue na katulad nito. I suggest kumuha na lang sila ng Music course sa UP. mali yata ang pinasok nilang mundo eh.

Coolwaters
09.05.07, 01:17 PM
Tama ka Sim... Malapit na kasi ang election... :)


Eto: "I warned Martin on changing anthem style"
http://showbizandstyle.inquirer.net/breakingnews/breakingnews/view/20090506-203466/I-warned-Martin-on-changing-anthem-style
(http://showbizandstyle.inquirer.net/breakingnews/breakingnews/view/20090506-203466/I-warned-Martin-on-changing-anthem-style)

Sa akin naman, mas malaki ang dapat isisi kung meron man sa NHI at kung sino man ang accountable. Parang OA kasi na halimbawa isa sa atin ang nagpunta sa ibang bansa in our capacity as a Filipino then we are asked or requested to sing the national anthem sa isang gathering na hindi naman prestigious, dapat ba tayong kumuha ng permiso sa NHI na aprubado nila ang paraan kung paano natin kakantahin ang Lupang Hinirang? Kasi kung parurusahan nila si Martin, dapat lahat ng nagkamali patawan din (di lang konti yon siguro) so parang OA na. Mas malaki pa nga ang kasalanan sa bayan ng mga nanunungkulan pero tignan mo naman... oops, komentaryo lang ito. :)


Amen to that angelo_a!
I mean, most of us are legal hypocrites. Majority can't even follow the simple traffic rules...
Dapat kung kailangan nilang i-enforce ang batas, dapat sa lahat... Di nga nila ma-enforce yung batas sa mga kumakalat na disenyo ng damit na parang flag na talaga... :)

Gaya nga ng sinasabi ng mga kritiko ng NHI - "NHI is just justifying its existence. At nag-e-exist pala siya!" Pasintabi po!

Alexander
09.05.07, 03:26 PM
Thanks webmaster for the link.
value

Napanood ko sa Bandila ang sinabi ng representative ng National Historical Institute. Ang interpretation na sinabi nya tungkol sa composition ni Julian Felipe (lolo ko ito sa talampakan :)) ay ang tiempo di marcha = 120, kaya ang pagbagal o sobrang bagal ay ang tinututulan sa istilo ng pag-awit ng Lupang Hinirang.

Kung tutuusin, sabit di ang areglo ng National Artist na si Prof Lucio San Pedro. Kaya kami dati, inaalis namin ang part na mabagal sa simula at di namin tinatagalan o iniiba ang nota sa "ang mamatay ng dahil sa 'Yo"

Paulus_Magnus
09.05.07, 04:16 PM
e yan ang naririnig ko sa cow ang chicken eh! tagalog yung wang wang... englich yung bi boo bi boo... :PLOL


OT: Ang alam ko, wang wang wang sa pulis yun, :P

Anyway, Isa lang masasabi ko jan: Hindi inintindi ni Martin ang batas at ang implications ng ginawa niya. He didn't show himself as a model of obedience to the law. Kaya kung kulong at multa siya, isa lang ang sagot ko jan: Dapat lang! hmp!

manoiskee
09.05.07, 04:42 PM
kahit mga corrupt politicians takot sa batas, that's why patago ang ginagawa nilang illegal activities, kaya nga yung mga padulas tinawag na "under the table" kasi pailalim ng lamesa ang pagpasa ng lagay para di makita ng ibang tao.

yung ginawa ni martin na-warn pala sya, alam niyang may lalabagin siyang batas and he did it in front of millions of viewers from around the world.

he blatantly disregarded the philippine constitution.

should we let this violation pass dahil di naman kaya ng pamahalaan natin ipatupad ang lahat ng ating mga batas sa lahat ng pagkakataon?

manoiskee
09.05.07, 04:55 PM
eto last line from Maestro Ryan Cayabyab from the inquirer.net article angelo_a posted:

CAYABYAB: I warned Martin on changing anthem style (http://showbizandstyle.inquirer.net/breakingnews/breakingnews/view/20090506-203466/I-warned-Martin-on-changing-anthem-style)

"As a musician, I will stick to the original because that is how the composer meant it to be," he said.

ernanibaetiong
09.05.07, 05:03 PM
he blatantly disregarded the philippine constitution.

Amen. Siguro dahil ito sa pagiging american citizen (AFAIK) din ni Martin. Half hearted ang kanyang pagka-Pilipino. Kung baga sa itlog, malasado. Pero si Martin...BUGOK.

titopao
09.05.07, 05:11 PM
Er, let's not be too loose here:

yung ginawa ni martin na-warn pala sya, alam niyang may lalabagin siyang batas and he did it in front of millions of viewers from around the world.

he blatantly disregarded the philippine constitution.

Martin Nievera did not violate the Philippine Constitution because, to begin with, the Constitution is too general with regard to national symbols such as the flag and the anthem.

The only provision in the Constitution relating to the national anthem is this:

ARTICLE XVI
General Provisions

Section 2. The Congress may, by law, adopt a new name for the country, a national anthem, or a national seal, which shall all be truly reflective and symbolic of the ideals, history, and traditions of the people. Such law shall take effect only upon its ratification by the people in a national referendum.

As you see, it doesn't even say anything about the National Anthem itself other than this. (That belongs to the Philippine Heraldic Code.) It just says, if the Filipino people want a new national anthem, only Congress can pass such laws and it needs to be ratified by the people through a national referendum.

In addition, the Philippine Constitution does not contain any such penalties regarding its violations. These would normally be covered by the "lower" laws such as Republic Acts like the Philippine Heraldic Code. (Hence, you don't find the penalties for committing murder or rape on the Constitution, you look it up on the Penal Code of the Philippines.)

There's also one more thing that needs to be brought up here: because the national anthem was performed abroad, it's possible that Martin Nievera might also get away with the prison term and/or fine. I'm not sure if the penalties in the Philippine Heraldic Code applies to such violations committed abroad (because if it did, then that might mean that other similar laws may also apply to other violations commited by Pinoys abroad that are not covered by extradition treaties). This is why, I think, the NHI could only admonish/warn the other singers who performed at Pacquiao's previous fights. Had the fights been held here in the Philippines, I'm sure representatives of the PNP will knock at Martin's doorstep :P

lady_toast
09.05.07, 05:14 PM
Thanks webmaster for the link.
value

Napanood ko sa Bandila ang sinabi ng representative ng National Historical Institute. Ang interpretation na sinabi nya tungkol sa composition ni Julian Felipe (lolo ko ito sa talampakan :)) ay ang tiempo di marcha = 120, kaya ang pagbagal o sobrang bagal ay ang tinututulan sa istilo ng pag-awit ng Lupang Hinirang.

Kung tutuusin, sabit di ang areglo ng National Artist na si Prof Lucio San Pedro. Kaya kami dati, inaalis namin ang part na mabagal sa simula at di namin tinatagalan o iniiba ang nota sa "ang mamatay ng dahil sa 'Yo"

Ang Lupang Hinirang namin, parang nagrurubato ng kaunti sa huli. Sa may... "Lupa ng araw, ng luwalhati't pagsinta.." until the end.

Re: Nargalzius' blog, I definitely agree that Kyla's version was the best. If I remember correctly, she even studied how the National Anthem is supposed to be sung, and she wanted to make sure that she won't get called on by the NHI because of what happened to other singers. Had the law been strictly observed, I still think she wouldn't be able to make the cut, but in all fairness to her, she was the only one who was conscious about the interpretation with regards to what is written in the law. :D

Also...

It’s shouldn’t be about me; but about our country and national identity, and I wouldn’t dare assume I have the authority to decide what is best for it.

So it’s not even a debate at this point. it’s law, period. You want to do your country good, then be a good, law-abiding citizen.
Marry me. Seriously.

No, but seriously, I think that someone should tell Martin Nievera this. Am I the only one who thinks that he should simply fade back into Z-listdom? The chismosa in me tells me that all this crap about Lupang Hinirang is a ploy for him to get back in the spotlight.

Well, simply put, I agree with the arguments you have supplied in your blog. :D

titopao
09.05.07, 05:23 PM
No, but seriously, I think that someone should tell Martin Nievera this. Am I the only one who thinks that he should simply fade back into Z-listdom? The chismosa in me tells me that all this crap about Lupang Hinirang is a ploy for him to get back in the spotlight.

No, I don't think so. In fact, webmaster Carlo already had an answer to that:

Some may ask why this issue is newsworthy, when there are other more pressing concerns that are never addressed, and they’re right to an extent. There certainly are issues I’d rather see fixed than this. But in fairness to those who do care, here’s a simple fact that the less patriotic people (myself included) should remember: To some people (more than we may think), the act of representing one’s motherland is not a trivial matter.
Now that you’ve read it, it seems like common sense right? That it’s a given and needn’t be mentioned.


I mention it because I am not that patriotic - but I certainly will not judge people who are (provided they aren’t radicals). I mean if I was a superstar, and was to asked to sing the anthem, even if I wasn’t patriotic, I would respect the purpose of the song - which is to represent the Philippines and would try my best to do it justice. If “doing it justice” meant sticking to what I personally thought was a boring cadence, so be it.

It’s shouldn’t be about me; but about our country and national identity, and I wouldn’t dare assume I have the authority to decide what is best for it.

This is not about Martin's being in "z-listdom", that is missing the point. Mangling the National Anthem is a serious matter, and any other singer in Martin's shoes, had they committed similar acts, would have also received the same amount of criticism. This is why Christian Bautista also got the flak for omitting two lines, even though his rendition was good (I find it march-like, nasira lang talaga s'ya sa memory gap nya, but otherwise it would have been acceptable to the NHI :P )


Now this makes me wonder: we've all fussed about how Pacquiao's guest singers have mangled the National Anthem but, seriously, people, have all of us exerted the same diligence in ensuring that the National Anthem is being sung correctly in flag raising ceremonies in schools and government offices? 8)

manoiskee
09.05.07, 05:31 PM
oic, heraldic code pala yun. separate pala sa mismong constitution. but still it's the law, yun nga lang di nga nabanggit sa penalties kung sakop sya dahil nga ginawa nya abroad. hayz.

REPUBLIC ACT NO. 8491

...

CHAPTER VII
PENALTIES

Sec. 48. Failure or refusal to observe the provisions of this Act; and any violation of the corresponding rules and regulations issued by the Office of the President, shall after proper notice and hearing, shall be penalized by public censure which shall be published at least once in a newspaper of general circulation.

The Department of Education, Culture and Sports and the Commission on Higher Education, upon the recommendation of the Institute and after proper notice and hearing, shall cause the cancellation of the recognition or permit of any private educational institution which fails or refuses to observe the provisions of this Act for the second time.

Sec. 49. The Department of Education, Culture and Sports (DECS) and the Commission on Higher Education shall ensure that the National Anthem, as adopted by law, shall be committed to memory by all students of both public and private educational institutions, and performed during the flag ceremony conducted in accordance with the rules and regulations issued by the Office of the President. In addition, they shall make available the vocal, piano or band scores of the National Anthem, as adopted by law, to all private and public schools, as well as the general public.

Sec. 50. Any person or juridical entity which violates any of the provisions of this Act shall, upon conviction, be punished by a fine of not less than Five thousand pesos (P5,000) nor more than Twenty thousand pesos (P20,000), or by imprisonment for not more than one (1) year, or both such fine and imprisonment, at the discretion of the court: Provided, That for any second and additional offenses, both fine and imprisonment shall always be imposed: Provided, further, That in case the violation is committed by a juridical person, its President or Chief Executive Officer thereof shall be liable.

titopao
09.05.07, 05:38 PM
oic, heraldic code pala yun. separate pala sa mismong constitution. but still it's the law, yun nga lang di nga nabanggit sa penalties kung sakop sya dahil nga ginawa nya abroad. hayz.

Di ko alam kung ano ang principle of law dito, pero I think parang the same lang din as if you committed other violations or crimes. A theoretical example: kung nagbakasyon ka sa US at ikaw ay nakapatay ng tao habang andun ka, I'm sure na huhulihin ka for violating US law, not Philippine law, even if murder/homicide is a crime under the Philippine penal code. But I may be wrong; I hope the lawyers out here can clarify this for us :P

nargalzius
09.05.07, 05:51 PM
Me dalawa na thread talking about Martin's version. I don't know if the related posts here should be spliced and transferred there; or if that whole thread should be merged with this one.

What do you guys think?

pinkhdxbchampange
09.05.07, 06:03 PM
Good day Onliners,

Naiinis ako dun sa mga kritiko na bumabanat kay Martin Nievera dahil sa paraan niya ng pagkanta ng Philippine National Anthem sa laban ni Pacman. 'Di ba panahon na dapat para mas lalo nating pagandahin ang song para hindi na kakasawang pakinggan? Agree ba kayo? gusto ko malaman opinion niyo. Don't you think it's about time na i-ammend na natin yung law regarding dito?

Wether we like it or not it is a NATIONAL ANTHEM and meron tayong by-laws how to render the song. Meron ba sa inyong nakakuha about the EXACT TRANSLATION of our national anthem from SPANISH to TAGALOG?. I forgot that composer/lyricist (yun yata ung gamit ang dahon to make sound?) Nang mabasa ko un.. na feature sa isang show sa tv...(sensya na i forgot that show also) Mas akma ang lyrics na ginawa nya instead of the lyrics we already have. Malalim na tagalog.

titopao
09.05.07, 06:10 PM
Wether we like it or not it is a NATIONAL ANTHEM and meron tayong by-laws how to render the song. Meron ba sa inyong nakakuha about the EXACT TRANSLATION of our national anthem from SPANISH to TAGALOG?. I forgot that composer/lyricist (yun yata ung gamit ang dahon to make sound?) Nang mabasa ko un.. na feature sa isang show sa tv...(sensya na i forgot that show also) Mas akma ang lyrics na ginawa nya instead of the lyrics we already have. Malalim na tagalog.

Well, that point is rendered moot by the fact that the Philippine Heraldic Code contains the only sanctioned version of Lupang Hinirang. In fat, the lyrics of the National Anthem are part of the law (look up the Philippine Heraldic Code and, voila, it's there! :P )

The only way a "more correct" translation of Jose Palma's Filipinas can be used and recognized is if the law itself is amended. For now, this scenario is far-fetched :P

pinkhdxbchampange
09.05.07, 06:14 PM
actually sa tingin ko nagpasikat lang si MARTIN kasi nga andaming hollywood celebrities na nanood...baka mapansin...especially ung birit nya sa huli...but for me martin's rendition is not pure in his heart. yes his facial expresion was there...syempre nag-artista den yan besides being a singer, meaning umaarte sila when they sing. pero pag pinakinggan ko lang yung kanta nya without looking, just trying to hear how he sing, ala lang hungkag, or ampaw baga...even his facial expression kahit sabihin nyang within his heart...di rin ako pabor...nung bumirit cya sa ending bigla kong naalaa si Pavarotti sa execution nya ng nessun dorma kahit di ko naintindihan ang lyrics ng nessun dorma parang na feel ko ang song na teary eyed pa ko...o di ba para kong lukaluka...pero kay martin...di ko man lang naramdaman kahit konti...but i like martin and his songs...mas feel ko pa ung kanta nyang BEFORE WE SAY GOODBYE eh.

pinkhdxbchampange
09.05.07, 06:19 PM
Well, that point is rendered moot by the fact that the Philippine Heraldic Code contains the only sanctioned version of Lupang Hinirang. In fat, the lyrics of the National Anthem are part of the law (look up the Philippine Heraldic Code and, voila, it's there! :P )

The only way a "more correct" translation of Jose Palma's Filipinas can be used and recognized is if the law itself is amended. For now, this scenario is far-fetched :P

KOREK ka jan:)...

manoiskee
09.05.07, 06:19 PM
NHI raps Martin’s version of RP anthem (http://showbizandstyle.inquirer.net/entertainment/entertainment/view/20090505-203126/NHI-raps-Martins-version-of-RP-anthem)

Not the first time

The NHI has criticized other versions of “Lupang Hinirang” in some past Pacquiao bouts. Among the artists it has chided are Sarah Geronimo, Kyla, Lani Misalucha and Bituin Escalante.

This time around, Ocampo also noted the flashing of the NHI seal in GMA 7’s broadcast toward the end of Nievera’s performance.

Ocampo said this was “without our permission.” The seal was accompanied by the words, “Approved by the National Historic Institute.”

Also flashed during the song was footage of a Philippine Airlines aircraft and of Pacquiao in his dugout. None of this was seen on Solar Sports, the other channel that aired the event.

kaya naman pala lalong nag-init tumbong ng mga taga-NHI eh. bat naman kaya yun ginawa ng GMA? para makalusot? yari na naman sila nito.

holychef
09.05.07, 06:44 PM
My take naman eto:

Musically, I don't like it na. I think the change in tempo was unecessary at nagmukhang intro siya imbis na part of the song itself. Tapos ano meron? Bakit naman siya bumirit sa huli?

Tama nga yung iba, kahit siguro hindi talaga niya gustong magpasikat, ganun ang nagiging impression ng mga taong nanonood. Parang ginagawa niyang "ticket to stardom" yung National Anthem kahit hindi man niya sinasadya. And I want to reiterate yung sinasabi ng iba na kung "simpleng" batas na lang di pa natin masunod, what more yung mga laws na mas maraming pasikut - sikot. If ever i-aamend yung Republic Act regarding the singing of the National Anthem then well and good for the singers and interpreters, but since that is not the case, I think it is best that we just follow the law and let our own takes in the song be kept in our imaginations for a while.

My 2 cents:):)

manoiskee
09.05.07, 06:46 PM
argh, meron na pala nitong isang thread. ngayon ko lang nabasa. hmmm, merge na lang?

bluemurdock
09.05.07, 08:13 PM
IMO... i do agree that the concert king did took his version of the Lupang Hinirang a little too far.. medyo napa-iba at nagtunog "pop".. or as some say "nagpakitang gilas" diumano.. Sana he wont do this again.. and I do hope na our singers learned a lesson from this not to mess with our national anthem..

PS..
pero guys pansin ba ninyo na parang ang daming sumakay sa issue? i mean.. given the issue of poverty, corruption and social injustice sa bansa.. people would rather talk about this? ahehehe.. parang napaisip ako.. i know its worthy of attention kasi it should be corrected. pero come on.. it has been an issue far too lang na.. there are far more important and bigger issues that should be tackled and looked into compared to this.. wala lang.. aking dalawang centimos lang.. :P

manoiskee
09.05.07, 09:38 PM
kanina sa balita nabanggit na nga na di sya pwede kasuhan dahil di naman dito sa pinas kinanta kaya di sya sakop ng batas natin...

hayz...

silveryellow
09.05.07, 09:41 PM
Why does it seem like GMA is spared of any reprimand after they have flashed the NHI seal without permission, after the National Anthem was sung??

manoiskee
09.05.07, 10:23 PM
masyado siguro kasi napa-tutok atensyon ng mga tao ngayon ke martin, ang hirap kaya na di mapansin pagka-OA ng mukha nya pag kumakanta, lolz.

allen lucas
09.05.07, 11:11 PM
kaya pala malakas ang loob eh.

allen lucas
09.05.07, 11:23 PM
Oo nga, pati GMA 7 may offense na ginawa.

jigokushinigamiai
09.05.08, 12:19 AM
hhuuuummm ok lang sana kaso naover do nya masyado, medyo nawala yung essence... ang pinag tataka ko lang bakit sya lang ang kinasuhan, sa lahat ng mga kumakanta ng lupang hinirang na nag perform sa laban ng kung sino sinong boxer, na laging kulang ng nota sa "paglayang minahamahal" tapos hndi sinunod yung tempo at worst "lupa ng araw ng huwalhating pag sinta, ang mamatay ng dahil sayo..." ngyon lang nila pinansin ng grabe yung pagkanta ng lupang hinirang... hhuuummm..

guimong12
09.05.08, 04:53 AM
Next time much better to get Lea na she's the only celebrity singer na kumanta ng tama, Paalam na dapat kay money yan:)

titopao
09.05.08, 08:06 AM
kanina sa balita nabanggit na nga na di sya pwede kasuhan dahil di naman dito sa pinas kinanta kaya di sya sakop ng batas natin...

hayz...

Well, ganun talaga :P Hindi na kasi sakop ng mga korte ng Pilipinas ang ibang bansa. Maraming legal complications kung ganon ang mangyayari.

On the lighter side, pwede kang lumabag ng batas sa ibang bansa sa ganong paraan: gagawin mo ang isang bagay na labag sa batas sa Pinas, pero hindi illegal sa ibang bansa. Sa tingin mo, bakit ayaw umuwi ng Pilipinas ni Jose Ma. Sison ;) (Though s'yempre, yung kay JoMa ay matter of principle on his part, plus yung govt. mismo ng Netherlands ang may ayaw na makauwi s'ya ng Pilipinas...I think isa ito sa mga thorny issues na nahihirapan i-resolve ng DFA.)

Okay, seriously now. Ang isang nakikita kong way na mangyari iyon is kung pipirma ang Pilipinas at ang Amerika ng isang panibagong extradition treaty kung saan kasama na ang Phil. Heraldic Code sa mga krimen kung saan pupwedeng ikulong ng mga Kano ang mga Pinoy sa paglabag ng mga batas sa Pinas. Pero sa ngayon, sobrang, sobrang malabo iyon kasi mga grave crimes lang ang kasalukuyang kasama sa present extradition treaty ng Pinas at Tate, tulad ng murder at plunder :P

Why does it seem like GMA is spared of any reprimand after they have flashed the NHI seal without permission, after the National Anthem was sung??

This might also explain why there are too many commercials in Manny Pacquiao's fights

If GMA is to be believed, Solar Sports bought out GMA's block time at a flat-rate, which means that GMA will air Solar's programming on their airwaves, and Solar will compensate GMA for what the network should have aired if it aired, uh, SOP instead. This means that while the contract is being enforced, Solar controls what's being telecast, which includes all the commercials.

On the one hand, this would mean, then, that GMA doesn't have control over the commercials that Solar broadcasts, because GMA would never know beforehand what could come out. They would also never knew in advanced that Solar Sports somehow got hold of the NHI logo and flashed it over millions of TV sets all over the country. If that's the case, then Solar Sports, not GMA 7, should be held liable for the display of the NHI logo.

But on the other hand...who believes that GMA doesn't have a cut over the commercials and also doesn't have control over what's being shown by Solar? They also have a working news team that is trying hard (and let me emphasize, trying hard) to beat the competition...why can't one of their goddamned lazy reporters contact anyone from the NHI to verify the thing about the NHI logo??

Next time much better to get Lea na she's the only celebrity singer na kumanta ng tama, Paalam na dapat kay money yan:)

I think it's better to get a student from some grade school or high school. Sigurado akong makakanta ng tama 'yan...s'yempre matatakot magkamali ang estudyante kasi baka may katapat na suspension sa school pag sumabit s'ya dun LOL

PS..
pero guys pansin ba ninyo na parang ang daming sumakay sa issue? i mean.. given the issue of poverty, corruption and social injustice sa bansa.. people would rather talk about this? ahehehe.. parang napaisip ako.. i know its worthy of attention kasi it should be corrected. pero come on.. it has been an issue far too lang na.. there are far more important and bigger issues that should be tackled and looked into compared to this.. wala lang.. aking dalawang centimos lang.. :P

I mentioned this earlier, but I'll say it again: I think that this issue is also an important one. But just because this is the one that caught people's attention doesn't necessarily mean that we're ignoring other pressing matters. It's just that the issue of mangling the national anthem is of a different kind or class from the problem of corruption and poverty.

(Kumbaga sa Penal Code, parehong krimen ang sedition, treason, coup d'etat/rebellion, murder, rape, plunder, libel/slander, usurpation of authority and---you won't believe this---disturbing a religious rite/ritual. Just that, may distinctions sa pagitan nila, at dahil doon ay may iba-ibang paraan ng pagtrato sa kanila.)

Filipinos love to talk about how corruption is rampant, about how the government isn't doing its job, about how many Filipinos are living in poverty. But for all the talk about all these, how many of use understand how the government really (and should) works? How many of us have read the Constitution? How many of us are aware of our duties (not just rights) as citizens? How many of us have understood (not just memorized) our history? These are also important issues for our Filipino-ness. It's not that when we focus on these issues alone, we ignore other pressing matters such as corruption and poverty---but the converse is also not true, it's not enough that we focus only on the problems and how to solve them, but neglect what is important for us as citizens of these country. Being a concerned citizen and being an informed citizen are not mutually exclusive states, we can both become concerned and informed at the same time :)

michaela
09.05.09, 12:26 PM
Gosh! Okei yan version ni martin,ringtone ko yan sa cellphone. :)Thanks to all those who gave their comments. I'm probably the laziest Filipino ever. haha natatawa ako sa comments ng lahat about martin and the lupang hinirang ... thanks so much!! =)

God bless!

sjclc
09.05.09, 12:50 PM
'Makabago' na daw kasi tayo. Yung para bang ang corny corny mo pag umastang makabayan ka. I'm saying this from a teenager's perspective. Kasi daw eh ano, 'nakakahiya'. Kasi ewan ko ba, gusto na ng mga kabataan eh lahat bago, lahat pop/rnb/hiphop, lahat sikat. Parang sa choir lang to eh, isa sa mga pinagawayan namin nung partner ko, puro mabibilis lang ang gusto niya. Pangmatanda na daw pag mabagal ang kanta. Stereotypes ata ang tawag dun.

michaela
09.05.09, 01:13 PM
Whoah! I miss postings... he he..:P lupang hinirang topic dito pero napupunta na kung saan-saan ang mga posts dito !:ecstatic:
i personally wouldn't mind if someone couldn't sing it right the national anthem.There should be nothing wrong with what martin did in national anthem . Yup ganda nga kaya ng pagkakanta at okay naman ung version nya for the occasion. I agree with everyone who said na you should follow the rules in singing the lupang hinirang , but remember there's sometimes exception to the rules .

herald
09.05.09, 05:13 PM
exception?, siguro yung mga ignorante lang sa batas, akala kasi tama yung ginagawa, pero teka, ignorance of the law excuses no one di ba :) at kung may exception hindi na sana gumawa ng ingay.

ang mali ni martin,sumagot pa sya na wala syang binagong tono (o ano pa man), e obvious namang meron (OA kasi sa pagkanta), humingi na lang sana sya ng paumanhin, tapos na sana ang usapan.

medtech
09.05.10, 01:16 AM
takot tuloy umuwi si martin!!!!

rammstein
09.05.10, 01:48 AM
Gosh! Okei yan version ni martin,ringtone ko yan sa cellphone. ...

seriously, michaela?! ringtone mo nga? LOL

anya
09.05.10, 11:06 AM
This is a tough call. hmmm.. the incident about martin actually made me feel sad.. I know this has been an age-old, tiring discussion,isipin natin na everything happens for a reason. At magpasalamat tayo na nanalo si pacman. Yes, there is a law which states that the national anthem should be sung as it was intended by its composer. But this was not a funeral march. it was a boxing march.should this be an issue at all, considering martin sang it with all his heart to unite and inspire the Filipino and did not in any way alter any of the lyrics?did the nhi instruct martin, in any way before the fight, of the proper way to sing the national anthem?:)

sjclc
09.05.10, 11:30 AM
Another thing, siguro kaya ganun ang pagkakanta niya eh dahil bahagi nga siya ng 'recording world'. Artista kasi eh. Agree na ko kay titopao, dapat isang random na elementary or high school student na lang ang pakantahin sa next na laban ni pacquiao.

michaela
09.05.10, 07:07 PM
Hello everybody!

I've been following this thread kasi nga I got a professor in college na involved sa issue ni Concert king . :)Grabe, after reading new comments on this thread ,finally, it's my turn to share again for one last time!:)


http://showbizandstyle.inquirer.net/entertainment/entertainment/view/20090509-204081/Half-apology-full-defense

-i can say i have the same sentiments pero i look at it in a positive way... I had read na the link above.Haha, kakalungkot naman!

In general, I feel ok lang naman ang ginawa ni Martin kaya nga sabi ni Manny next time siya na ang kakanta ng Lupang hinirang :wow:.With this, he'll stay as the country's hero, never the villain. :)

Anyway, so I am posting what my first music teacher stand on this concert king issue ( I'd like to put her name kaya lang for sure aawayin ako nung kapag ginawa ko un dito,although she dont visit the board pero for sure if i put her name 100% makakarating sa kanya ito,kaya wag ko ng lagay name niya hehehe...) :

3 things I have to say:1) I think the rule on strictly sticking to every note and chord progression of Julian Felipe's composition is a bit too much. Even Lucio San Pedro's choral arrangement was banned, a beautiful arrangement that's been sung by choirs all over the country, an arrangement that stirs the soul. So sad even this version isn't allowed. Artists should be given a reasonable amount of freedom to interpret a song the way they want to. 2) I'm not a big fan of Martin's version during the Pacquiao fight. The arrangement was okay, the beginning was okay, I didn't like the end, I think he strayed too far from the melody. Still respect him as a fellow-artist though. 3) I understand Martin when he says he "didn't get the memo". If the NHI and other people will make such a big deal of something like this, they should be more pro-active in informing the whole country of this "rule" and monitor every single major performance and "warn" artists beforehand, not reprimand them after.

I couldn't think of anything negative about the way Mr. Martin Nievera sang the national anthem .Natatawa lang ko sa comments na if grade school yung kakanta for sure magagawa ng maayos,duda ako dyan hehehe....sige, nga simulan magpatest sa public and private schools. When I was in elementary I couldn't sing right the lupang hinirang,but it doesn't mean that i don't love my country.sabihin, natin ung mga panahon na yun eh wala ko interes sa national anthem ng pilipinas.kaya lang when I joined the ministry and the glee club i studied na the lupang hinirang....wala na kse choice,kakahiya naman sa choirmnates ko ,kung d ko career ang pagkanta ng bayang magiliw :). Katulad, nga ng sinabi ng barkada ng kuya ko lawakan ung pag-iisip sa isyu na ito.peace !:)

michaela
09.05.10, 07:16 PM
seriously, michaela?! ringtone mo nga? LOL

ganyang ganyan ang ring tone ko. Kasi parang dyahe nga daw sabi ng kapatid ko... kumabaga ginagalit ko daw lalo ung mga tao naasar sa pagkanta ni martin. di kaya totoo un ....ang dami nagrequest ipadala ko sa kanila the ringtone hehehe...actually I shared to some blockmates in law school the ringtone . susunod ko karir ang ringback tune hehehe...totoo ung mga 2 weeks ko lang siya gagawin with the help of some friends.:)

michaela
09.05.10, 07:18 PM
did the nhi instruct martin, in any way before the fight, of the proper way to sing the national anthem?:)for sure ako na hindi. :)

herald
09.05.11, 11:56 AM
Martin should have learned from the past mistakes of his fellow singers, kaso nagmayabang pa, it's overkill, gustong magpasikat (uli?) at mapag-usapan (at nagyari nga).“No one told me about the so-called laws ... I didn’t get the memo". Nasan ba s'ya nung mga nakaraang laban ni Pacquiao?, absent ba s'ya nung mga panahong binatikos din ang pagkanta nila Christian Bautista, Lani Misalucha, Kyla at marami pang iba,Dapat nag-effort man lang s'ya para makanta n'ya ng tama iyon (Mr. C even warned Mr. Nievera not to alter the notes,), I liked how Martin sung the Natinal Anthem until before the last line, huh!?, natigilan talaga ako :(

Honestly, I don't mind if intrerpretation of our National Anthem varies, as long as it is allowed by law, plain and simple follow the law.

Hindi ako magtataka if a simple law like R.A.8491 eh pinag-uusapan at ang hirap pa sundin what more yung ibang mga batas?. Some of our fellow Filipinos doesn't care much, surely, tuloy ang buhay, kahit mali ang pagkanta ni Mr. Nievera o manalo man ng sandamakmak na salapi at titulo si Pacman, hindi nito mababago ang estado ng ating lipunan.

Mahirap kasing magpakumbaba at sabihin lalo na sa National Television na "I am sorry" (oops!!)

Hindi lang naman yung tamang pagkanta ng National Anthem ang nakasulat sa R.A. 8491, ilang araw lang may pinuna akong T-shirt and poster dahil yung Flag of the Philippines may mga nakasulat na kung anu-ano (i.e date of event, time etc.), ewan ko kung ginawan ng action (but I doubt, hindi na ako naka-receive ng email from that group since then).

Sigh!, ilang araw na lang matatabunan na naman ito ng ibang mas malalaking isyo, pero may natuto ba?, sana meron. :)

titopao
09.05.11, 12:44 PM
First, let's all be circumspect about this whole thing. Let's face the fact that while mutilating the National Anthem is a violation of law, it is not a crime of the highest order. In fact, I doubt it's even considered a crime at all---a misdemeanor, maybe, but a felony? Doubtful. Sure, RA8491 contains penalties relating to violations of that law, but you also have penalties for traffic violations and littering, and none of these offenses will create a mark on your NBI record.

I don't intend this to mean that because what Martin Nievera did is a light misdemeanor, we should forget about what he did and let him get away with it (in the light of the law, he still should be responsible for his actions). I only find it unusual that the reaction over his singing was notably massive. Seriously, now, don't you find it funny that this issue has generated more pagehits and more acerbic language than other more serious issues like, uh, the COMELEC's bungled computerization program? Dahil ba sa taga-showbiz yung involved sa issue? (You can also make the same argument against how GMA and ABS prioritize the topics on their daily news programs.)

Honestly, if there was one good thing that emerged out of this issue, it was more awareness of the law. You suddenly find people talking and dissecting the issue in the light of RA8491, so much that people are now talking of ways on how Martin Nievera should get punished legally. You even see people quoting websites that host copies of Philippine laws like the Chan Robles lawfirm's website. (The downside: it's virtually impossible and impractically difficult to claim ignorance of the existence of a law related to the National Anthem :P )

Natatawa lang ko sa comments na if grade school yung kakanta for sure magagawa ng maayos,duda ako dyan hehehe....sige, nga simulan magpatest sa public and private schools.

I actually meant my remark in jest (I personally don't think any student would easily agree to sing Lupang Hinirang on such an international sporting event at the risk of inviting ridicule/criticism for any slip-up and perhaps disciplinary sanctions from school authorities) :P but also to highlight the fact the students--and government workers---should be the ones singing the National Anthem correctly. I made a similar comment earlier, but somehow nobody paid attention to it. It's typical for issues like this to generate reactions from government bureaucrats and perhaps some student bloggers, but not one of the commenters in the Internet bothered to investigate if schools and government offices were doing it right in the first place. The presumption is that they "should", but it would even be more interesting to find someone who reports that a school or a government office isn't doing it properly (and, hence, would cause the school principal, college dean or government department head to be jailed and/or fined). Attention is being paid too much (way, way too much) to celebrities because of their notoriety, almost everyone demands that the law becomes applied instantly to these exceptions, but I could only wonder if these same people would do the same to their own schools/government units.

Like you and your professor, I do think that Martin's version was reasonably better (except for the ending, which was a little unpredictable). I also think that Lucio San Pedro's and Redentor Romero's rendition of Lupang Hinirang were superb, although they're technically illegal (for starters, Prof. Romero's version was played by an orchestra, which was not how Julian Felipe rendered his composition). If there was one thing that I realized about this, and also from the heated debates over at Wikipedia (at the Lupang Hinirang article), it's that it was actually a big mistake to (over-)regulate the National Anthem. Our own legal take on the National Anthem is way, way overkill: the US doesn't have a legal penalty for incorrectly singing "The Star Spangled Banner", while the UK doesn't have a law about "God Save the Queen" at all (both anthems were sung in the Pacquiao-Hatton match, btw).


Speaking of...one side note that people have missed is that Sir Tom Jones himself was castigated for (perhaps inadvertently?) altering the lyrics of "God Save the Queen". In one line, he sang it as "our Queen" instead of "the Queen". Like what happened to Martin Nievera, Sir Tom Jones himself received flak on the radio and on blogs. The difference is that, unlike with Martin's situation, Sir Tom Jones won't be punished, not even with a fine ...because there's no such law to punsish him in the first place :P

montaro
09.05.11, 02:07 PM
Sa haba ng thread, tinatamad na akong basahin
isa lang naman ang sasabihin ko...
EH KASI.. HINDI PA SI LEA SALONGA ANG PINILI
Joke lang. Lea fan ONLY!

And for me, among the singers who sang the PNA in Manny's fights, Kyla gave the best interpretation!

reksuyah
09.05.11, 02:28 PM
i agree, Kyla so far gave the "most" correct interpretation.

na-shock ako nung minsan sa isang news program, they randomly selected people in the street to sing the national anthem... aba marami ang nagkakamali sa lyrics... meron kang maririnig na "dalag," "di ka masisingil," maryosep.

junsedurifa
09.05.18, 04:07 PM
madami nang nagtry na i alter ang Lupang hinirang, pero sa palagay ko, wala namang napaparusahan...

opinion lang po iyon... wala kasi akong alam na naparusahan sa pag alter nito eh. so, sa palagay ko, kulang sa enforcement yung batas. ung ginawa po ni martin, its just isolated. madaming iba na nagpeperform at iniiba ang philippine national anthem.

In my honest opinion, if you are an artist, you should respect the work of a fellow artist - with the existence of a law or not.

Lupang Hinirang is a work of a National Artist for Music, so i think it should be respected by giving justice every performance.

un lang po... inuulit ko po, opinion ko lang po un. :)

titopao
09.05.18, 05:05 PM
Lupang Hinirang is a work of a National Artist for Music, so i think it should be respected by giving justice every performance.

Erhm...the use of the title National Artist is strictly regulated. Nobody is allowed to use this term loosely even if it's about a nationally-known artist. Only those who were proclaimed (not "awarded (http://www.quezon.ph/2006/05/24/proclaimed-a-national-artist-not-awarded/)", "designated" or "appointed") this title by a President of the Philippines (since Pres. Marcos' time) can only be called a National Artist, and this happens only every three years (or is it two? :P ). (That's the reason why Francis Magalona couldn't be nominated, he died after the nominations were already closed. So his supporters will have to wait.) In addition, only those who were alive or who have died in 1972 and after can be named as National Artist for Music.

To be more specific, only the following musicians were named National Artist for Music (as of this writing; a new National Artist will be named some time this year):

* Antonino R. Buenaventura
* Levi Celerio
* Ernani Joson Cuenco
* Felipe Padilla De Leon
* Jovita Fuentes
* Lucrecia Kasilag
* Jose Maceda
* Antonio J. Molina
* Lucio D. San Pedro
* Andrea Veneracion
* Honorata "Atang" de la Rama


So...this may sound incredible but, no, Julian Felipe is not a National Artist for Music, and his name doesn't even appear on the NCCA or CCP's website as a National Artist for Music. For that matter, Jose Rizal and Francisco Balagtas aren't National Artists for Literature, nor does Juan Luna is a National Artist for the Visual Arts, and not even Nicanor Abelardo is a National Artist for Music. (The most obvious reason is the clause about a candidate having died before 1972.)

But that doesn't mean that Julian Felipe isn't an important musician; he still is, the National Historical Institute recognizes his work (and so does the DepEd), and that's exactly why another law (the Philippine Heraldic Code) specifies that his rendition of the National Anthem is the one that is being sung today. (And as if it wasn't enough, they even included Julian Felipe's name on the text of the law itself :P )

reksuyah
10.03.14, 01:40 PM
at ano naman masasabi nyo sa rendition ni arnel pineda? ang taas eh... parang hirap kantahin.

titopao
10.03.14, 03:12 PM
Eh naabot n'ya eh, so pwede na rin. Sorry na lang sa mga hindi kayang abutin yun...tulad ko :P LOL

OK sa kin ang tempo, it's something that would pass the NHI's standards, I think. Yung range...let me just say that the ladies will have no problem singing along with it LOL

Assessment ko...OK na sana, kaya lang.... :P

Emerald
10.03.14, 04:26 PM
ok na ok! hehe nandun pa din yung original tempo... taas talaga boses ni arnel hehe

reagan
10.03.14, 06:16 PM
Why didnt he just sing the standard ending? For me, ok sana kung ganun....

OT: I really liked the Cowboys' Cheerleaders' version of the US anthem. hehehe.... =)

titopao
10.03.15, 08:31 AM
@reagan: Because to begin with---gaya ng lagi kong sinasabi elsewhere---we don't even have an extant copy of the National Anthem (as composed by Julian Felipe) to begin with :)

Ayon sa batas (Philippine Heraldic Code of 1998), dapat na gamitin ang orihinal na komposisyon/areglo ni Julian Felipe. Pero bukod sa malaking kontrobersiya kung ibig bang sabihin nito ay hindi dapat natin awitin ang pambansang awit (dahil ang orihinal na nilikha ni Julian Felipe ay walang lyrics, para lang sa piano at para sa banda lamang), wala tayong kopya ng orihinal na pyesa na galing mismo kay Julian Felipe. Maski manuscript o kaya isang printed na pyesa na ni-authorize niya, walang naiwang kopya nito...lahat ng mga bersyon na alam natin ay mga kopya lamang at, sa kalaunan, ay mga bagong areglo na.

Kaya, to begin with, anong "standard" ending nga ba ang ibig nating sabihin? :P Ano ba ang tamang tempo kung hindi rin naman natin alam kung ano ang talagang time signature na ginawa ni Julian Felipe? Ano ba ang tamang taas o baba ng Lupang Hinirang? Hangga't hindi nailalabas ang orihinal na pyesa ni Julian Felipe, mananatili itong bukas na tanong 8)

* * * * *

Regarding the Star Spangled Banner...sa Amerika kasi, wala silang batas tungkol sa pagiiba ng areglo ng kanilang pambansang awit. Ang tanging batas lamang na meron sila ay tungkol sa kung ano ang tamang etiquette ng mga tao sa pag-awit ng kanilang national anthem (basically, everyone must stand in attention, yun lang). Pero may legally, may kalayaan sila na awitin ito sa kung anong estilo ang maibigan ng aawit/tutugtog nito. Tingnan ang pahinang ito (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/36/301.html) at pansinin na ni hindi binanggit yung kung kaninong areglo yung gagamitin nila, samantalang sa atin dito sa Pilipinas, binanggit pa nga yung pangalan ni Julian Felipe (http://jlp-law.com/blog/flag-and-heraldic-code-of-the-philippines-ra-8491/)

Kaya masyadong unfair na ikumpara natin ang ating mga sarili sa mga Amerikano (i.e. "bakit sila, ginagawa nilang pop?") kasi, ang lamang lang natin sa kanila, mas marami tayong batas tungkol sa pag-awit ng Lupang Hinirang. Ultimo nga yung lyrics ng Lupang Hinirang at yung pamagat nito, nakasulat sa batas natin (kaya technically, pupwede kayong makulong kapag kulang yung lyrics ninyo :P )

Minsan nga, naiisip ko, dapat hindi na lang dinamihan ng ganong karami yung batas tungkol sa Lupang Hinirang. Dapat yung mas simple na lang na batas gaya ng sa Amerika o sa ibang bansa (sa Japan, walang lyrics ang orihinal na national anthem nila, kaya hindi obligado ang pagkanta). Mantakin niyo, kakantahin na nga lang yung Lupang Hinirang, pinag-aawayan pa :P

lester_delgado
10.03.15, 09:53 AM
Copy from the Original

here....

R.A. 8491 specifies that Lupang Hinirang "shall be in accordance with the musical arrangement and composition of Julian Felipe" (duple time):)

Alexander
10.03.15, 10:05 AM
Lester, do you have a clear copy of this? Is this the hand writing of Julian Felipe?

Paki email naman please.

I-re-regalo ko sa Lola ko, kasi Lolo nya si JF.

reksuyah
10.03.15, 10:06 AM
wow so kaapu-apuhan ka ni J. Felipe kuya Alex? galing naman...

Bien
10.03.15, 10:08 AM
Hirap talaga kumanta kung walang metronome or beat at maraming audience...
Pero para sa kin ok iyong tempo ni Arnel, mas may feelings, iyong pagbago nya ng tono sa bandang huli ay parang mas na-emphasize at nabigyan ng justice iyong national anthem, hindi iyong usual na tono...kaso iba ata iyong nasasaad batas. Eh pinakanta nila kasi ay rock star kaya ayun. Lagot ka pa din Arnel! hehe..

titopao
10.03.15, 10:19 AM
Thanks for sharing, lester_delgado :) So it does exist after all ;)

Saan naka-archive ang kopyang ito? I know the song is in the public domain (by virtue of law), but it helps if we know where this score is located.

Tama ba yung nakikita natin dito sa picture? It was originally in C major? ??? Ang taas naman pala kung ganon...tinalo pa yung Star Spangled Banner sa taas 8)

Kung C major ang original na key ng "Marcha Filipina Magdalo", e di si Arnel Pineda pala yung may pinakamalapit na key signature sa pagkakanta nya, kasi sa D Major (or D-flat major) n'ya kinuha. Samantalang nasa G major, F major (or a bit lower) yung ibang renditions nito :P

bajo
10.03.15, 10:33 AM
OK na sana, sa dulo lang biglang nabago. Nakita nyo reaction ni Lito Camo? Iniisip niya siguro "Ang taas naman Arnel".:)

Eh naabot n'ya eh, so pwede na rin. Sorry na lang sa mga hindi kayang abutin yun...tulad ko :P LOL

OK sa kin ang tempo, it's something that would pass the NHI's standards, I think. Yung range...let me just say that the ladies will have no problem singing along with it LOL

Assessment ko...OK na sana, kaya lang.... :P

titopao
10.03.15, 10:42 AM
Sabihin mo kamo, baka nainggit lang si Lito Camo sa taas ng boses ni Arnel LOL

Alexander
10.03.15, 10:58 AM
Me Video ba sa Youtube ang kanta ni Arnel?

@reksuyah.... shhhhhh :X

Bien
10.03.15, 10:58 AM
kaya may batas dyan dahil may original copy, wala naman sigurong mag complain or sasabihan nilang nag-deviate ka sa isang bagay kung walang standard na dapat sundin :)

Bien
10.03.15, 11:08 AM
Me Video ba sa Youtube ang kanta ni Arnel?

@reksuyah.... shhhhhh :X

@alex...napanood ko...grabe ang taas nga talaga! eto iyong link...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTdXXMl3IWI

Alexander
10.03.15, 11:33 AM
Montik na rin syang kapusin sa ending, medyo flat na ng konti.
Sana "The Company" na lang ang pinakanta nila, pantapat sa trio ng US... ;)

reagan
10.03.15, 11:43 AM
OT: Lipsync daw yung Star Spangled Banner sa away ni pacquiao? sana naman hindi, kasi ang ganda ng rendition nila...

Kuya alex, how about the Madz? sa Pacquiao-Mayweather... hehehe...

titopao
10.03.15, 11:50 AM
@reagan: Nice to have...pero I have the hunch that the Pacman will choose another pop star/pop group. Nati-trend kasi eh, kaya hindi malayong pop singer/group uli ang kukunin niya :P

Alexander
10.03.15, 11:53 AM
Mahirap pag MADZ... maglalagay pa sila ng maraming upuan sa RING, e puno ng tao yun :P

I was tempted to write nga MADZ din kanina pero di ko nilagay, kaya The Company na lang, Pasok pa sa category ni titopao na POP group.

bajo
10.03.15, 12:07 PM
I think Lea Salonga is a good choice to sing Lupang Hinirang.

titopao
10.03.15, 12:09 PM
Let me correct what I said: pop singer/group ng mga kantang kinakanta ni Pacquiao sa karaoke Magic Sing (endorser kasi nun si Pacman) LOL

Alexander
10.03.15, 12:12 PM
@titopao.... paki correct ang strike tag.

Bien
10.03.15, 12:13 PM
I think Lea Salonga is a good choice to sing Lupang Hinirang.

Nun bang kantahin dati ni Lea iyong Lupang Hinirang ay nasa tamang pitch ba sya base dun sa original copy?

titopao
10.03.15, 12:17 PM
@Bien: Lea's version is way, way lower. Just to give you an idea, the lowest note in the facsimile copy posted by Lester D. is the G after Middle C. Inabot pa nga ito ng high B-flat!!! :P

Bien
10.03.15, 12:21 PM
Yan nga iniisip ko, kasi bakit nila "kinakasuhan" iyong mali ang tempo, iba style ng pagkanta pero iyong hindi tama ang key or pitch ay wala lang...haha :)

titopao
10.03.15, 12:52 PM
Dinebate na namin ito sa Wikipedia noon (sa article ng Lupang Hinirang)---that's because di kami makasundo kung paano ie-explain yung batas given yung minimal information na nasa batas:

Ayon sa batas, eto ang mga parusa sa mga lalabag sa Philippine Heraldic Code:

First offense: at the very basic, public censure, to be published in newspapers. Hindi clear sa akin kung ibig sabihin ba nito ay isang print ad, or kung papasa na ang na-quote ang isang authority sa NHI. Hindi rin clear kung ibig sabihin ba nito ay kelangang mag-public apology ang violator. Pero, IMHO magandang precedent yung ginawa ni Christian Bautista na nag-apology sa NHI at gayundin noong siya ay ininterview sa harap ng camera ng mga news agencies.

NGUNIT: hindi ibig sabihin noon ay libre na yung violator. Sa discretion ng kung sinuman ang magsasampa ng demaanda, maari pa ring magpiyansa (P10,000-20,000) o makulong (6 months to 1 year) (o kaya pareho) ang nasabing violator. Iyan ay kung nahatulan sa korte. (Kung sino ang magdedemanda...more on this later :) )

2nd, 3rd... offenses: Mandatory ang multa at kulong. Walang lusot iyon. Pasalamat yung mga dati nang kumanta kay Pacquiao, di sila kinuha uli LOL

Ngayon, kung sino ang magdedemanda...unfortunately, walang sinabi ang Philippine Heraldic Code (PHC/RA8491) (http://jlp-law.com/blog/flag-and-heraldic-code-of-the-philippines-ra-8491/) kung sino ang dapat na magdemanda. Dahil doon, open ended ang issue: pupwedeng gawin ito ng NHI (so I heard sa Twitter today, idedemanda na raw talaga), o kaya'y pupwedeng isang pulis ang gumawa nito, provided may magfa-file ng police complaint, o kaya'y kahit sino (kahit sino sa ating mga board members, perhaps? :P hehehe). The thing is, sinabi ng batas na dapat, pero hindi sinabi kung sino.

Napagtutuunan lang ng pansin ang PHC dahil high-profile na kaso ito (which, I think, is just okay, kaya wag nyo nang pagbintangan na nakikisawsay ang NHI, they have a duty to do so anyway since sila ang mandated na mag-enforce ng PHC). Pero ang malaking tanong, bakit hindi nairereport ang ibang mga paglabag nito? Dahil kaya sa kakulangan ng kaalaman nating lahat? (Ngayong sumikat uli ang PHC, mas dapat na pag-aralan natin ang batas, I think. Kesa sa intayin pa natin yung susunod na bababoy sa Lupang Hinirang). O dahil kaya sa kawalan ng pakialam ng mga mamamayan tungkol sa batas (i.e. nakakita ng paglabag, pero dedma lang o kaya ayaw/tinatamad magsumbong)? Yan ay hindi ko masasagot ng simpleny "yes/no" answer, kasi babalik sa ating lahat yung tanong :)

WIth regard sa tamang regulation sa pagkanta...ito ang isa pang pinagtalunan namin. May inconsistency sa pagpapatupad ng batas kung sasabihin mong, "ganito ang tamang style, tempo at pitch, ganito ang tamang tempo" kung wala namang ganoon sa pyesa! Pansinin na ni hindi nakalagay kung ano ang tempo ng Marcha Filipina Magdalo sa ipinakitang larawan ni Lester D. Kaya ang tanong, gaano kaya kabilis/kabagal? Pinaka-safe na siguro yung sabihin natin na masayang martsa ito as a rule of thumb, pero I don't think you can make a strong argument as the composer himself didn't commit it in writing. Sana may makapaglabas pa ng additional materials---perhaps, a letter of instruction to the Banda Malabon---para mas malinawan tayo sa intent ni Maestro Felipe.

Ano ang tamang pitch? Sabi ng batas, kung ano yung nicompose ni Julian Felipe. Per gaya ng nabanggit ko, ang taas ng original pitch! Siguro, kung ibababa ng one octave ang right-hand pian part, pupwede pa. But that raises another issue: kung ibababa natin ng one octave, sa sobrang baba nito ay hindi rin uubra maski yung mga version ng MAdz at ni Prof. Ed Nepomuceno (na nasa librong "Kundiman Atbp."). Besides, ang baba naman kung ibababa ng one octave (subukan ninyong tugtugin para maintindihan ninyo yung sinasabi ko). Kaya parang naiintindihan ko na ngayon kung bakit ito kinakanta sa key of F or G, para mas makakanta ng malakas ang mga tao. Which probably explains why the NHI is not much particular with the pitch, as long as the melodic sequence (and the duration of each note) is correct. Hence, in practice, walang kaso sa pitch.

Ano ang tamang lyrics? Again, an inconsistency. May official lyrics pero sundin daw kung ano ang ni-compose ni Julian Felipe. Na wala namang lyrics. Historical accounts say that LH was performed by a band on June 12, 1898. It did NOT have lyrics and, then again, may issues noon si Julian Felipe sa pagkakaroon ng lyrics ng LH. After all, he composed a march, not a song. And kung susundin natin yung provision ng PHC, come to think of it, ibig sabihin noon ay pupwedeng tugtugin na lang ang LH imbis na kantahin. Pero that's what we have now with the PHC...so far, NHI pa lang ang consistently nagpapaliwanag ng batas na ito, pero wala pa (yatang) judgment or SC ruling patungkol sa provision ng LH sa PHC.

Ngayon, ano ba talaga ang pamantayan sa pamamaraan ng pag-awit ng LH? Ayon sa Section 38 ng PHC:

Sec. 38. When the National Anthem is played at a public gathering, whether by a band or by singing or both, or reproduced by any means, the attending public shall sing the anthem. The singing must be done with fervor.

Magkasundo muna tayo sa definition ng "fervor". Ayon kay kumpareng Google (http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Afervor&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a):

* ardor: feelings of great warmth and intensity; "he spoke with great ardor"
* excitement: the state of being emotionally aroused and worked up; "his face was flushed with excitement and his hands trembled"; "he tried to calm those who were in a state of extreme inflammation"
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

A passionate enthusiasm for some cause; Heat
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fervor

Samakatwid, dapat merong pag-aalab, dapat may excitement sa puso ng kumakanta nito. In other words, dapat hindi nakakaantok; hence, bawal yung mala-ballad (katulad ng ginawa noon ng La Diva at ni Martin Nievera). Hindi nga lang specific ang tempo ayon sa batas, pero siguro safe nang sabihin na kelangan yung tipong mapapasigaw ka ng "Sugod, mga kapatid!" kapag kumanta ka ng Lupang Hinirang. Kung kaya, dapat ay may kabilisan ang pag-awit nito, para mas mapukaw ang ganong pakiramdam sa mga aawit nito :)

Huling hirit na OT: This must be said: nakalagay din sa PHC na ang pamagat ng pambansang awit ay "Lupang Hinirang", hindi "Bayang Magiliw" :) Kaya para safe, simulan na ninyong tigilan ang pagbanggit sa "Bayang Magiliw" bilang "pamagat" ng pambansang awit. Baka kayo ang isunod ng NHI LOL

Bien
10.03.15, 01:40 PM
Very well said Mr.Wikipedia...este titopao pala, hehe :)

titopao
10.03.15, 02:39 PM
Things I discovered today: hindi lang pala tayo ang bansang may ganitong batas na "maarte" patungkol sa national anthem.

Sa Singapore, may ibinibigay silang "official arrangement". Pag pinalitan mo ito, mumultahan ka ng SG$1,000.

Sa Russia, isinabatas nila yung eksaktong tempo at time signature (4/4 or 2/4, at 76bpm, pero kelangan mabilis).

At sa Mexico---tulad ng sa Pilipinas---ipinagbabawal ang pag-awit ng kanilang National Anthem sa ibang areglo o nota, maski na konti lang ang binago mo. Sa katunayan, kelangan mo pa daw humingi ng paalam sa gobyerno (in writing) para lang kantahin ang Himno Nacional sa ibang bansa (e.g. sa Olympics, sa mga international events).

So...hindi pala natin pwedeng sabihing "Pilipinas lang ang me ganitong batas" kasi maski sa ibang bansa meron din sila :P

Coolwaters
10.03.15, 06:57 PM
Hehehehe... Sabi ko nga ba't magiging active na naman ang thread na ito dahil sa laban ni Pacquiao...

Hindi ko pa napapanood ang performance ni A. Pineda... :(

My stand on this matapos kong mabasa ang mga posts about the difficulty and the dilemmas of implementing the law specific to the national anthem, is now radical... Baguhin ang batas! LOL

titopao
10.03.15, 07:03 PM
@Coolwaters: Let me put it this way: disregarding the issue of Arnel Pineda's range (w/c is not friendly for the male voice :P), he sang it decently well (in my opinion)...until the last line LOL

Okay na sana eh, dun lang siya naputukan :P

Coolwaters
10.03.15, 07:05 PM
Ah.... Panonoorin ko mamaya... LOL

Alexander
10.03.17, 08:43 AM
Bakit kasi kailangan pang i-arte ang isa ng work of art diba? I know you can do anything sa isang awit mailiban na ito ay isang pambansang awit na pinapanigan at prescribed ng batas.

Hindi na ito pambansang awit kung ang bawat mamamayan ay may kanya-kanyang interpretasyon...

Baka bumangon nyan si Julian Felipe at hatakin ang kanilang mga paa :P

titopao
10.03.17, 09:05 AM
@Alexander: One word: History.

Alexander
10.03.17, 01:36 PM
History ng pagiging pasaway LOL

fhayeobra
10.03.24, 02:01 AM
Bakit kasi kailangan pang i-arte ang isa ng work of art diba? I know you can do anything sa isang awit mailiban na ito ay isang pambansang awit na pinapanigan at prescribed ng batas.

Hindi na ito pambansang awit kung ang bawat mamamayan ay may kanya-kanyang interpretasyon...

Baka bumangon nyan si Julian Felipe at hatakin ang kanilang mga paa :P

haha! tama po mod. alex.. kung tutuusin, dapat simple lang ang pagkanta dito pero nilalagyan pa nila ng arte.. kung pwede namang hindi.. ordinaryo lang.. ayan tuloy.. binabatikos sila.. :P